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From Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Logging Site
Date Fri, 22 Jun 2012 16:12:26 GMT
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy@gmail.com> wrote:
> I actually used to track this from the downloads and JNLP was used quite
> extensively, haven't checked in a while, but I bet if we deployed the latest
> developer snapshot that would be the most frequently used path.  We pinged
> infra a while back on this but didn't get back a good response (Paul had to
> sign the jars himself, and somehow JNLP was served correctly from where it
> is now).
>
> I'll ping #infra on freenode, but I really don't want to drop JNLP support.

OK understood. If infra is fine with that, I am too and we can publish
the jnlp via the CMS.
Just the dmg/zip file - shouldn't we put these on the mirroring system?



> Scott
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Ivan Habunek <ivan.habunek@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I'll take care of log4php next week. On holidays this week.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ivan
>>
>> On 22 June 2012 17:05, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Ralph Goers <rgoers@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> So where does this leave us in moving the site over?
>> >
>> > I think we could simply commit the chainsaw binary into the cms folders.
>> >
>> > But actually I believe infra will eat us if they ever find out we
>> > distribute binaries from the CMS folder. Therefore I would say we make
>> > up a regular download page and reference to the dmg and the zip only
>> > (dropping the jnlp) and use the mirroring system.
>> >
>> > Scott, its your domain- what do you say to that?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Christian
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Ralph
>> >>
>> >> On Jun 21, 2012, at 12:51 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I believe we bypass the mirror system because the mirror system doesn't
>> >> support the jnlp protocol (handling the mime type)..
>> >>
>> >> Scott
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> An icon is usually added to the user's start menu and/or desktop,
>> >>> which
>> >>> launches javaws and uses the jnlp protocol, so they don't need to go
>> >>> back to
>> >>> the link to get the benefit of autoupdates.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >>> <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Scott Deboy <scott.deboy@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> > The benefit of webstart is updates are automatically downloaded
and
>> >>>> > installed.  The link actually tries to check jars each time
you
>> >>>> > start
>> >>>> > the
>> >>>> > app and will update automatically if there are new ones.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> yes understood.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Does the user (i am a webstart noob) always need to click on our
>> >>>> webpage to start the app?
>> >>>> And, do we actually bypass the mirror system here or am I wrong
with
>> >>>> my assumption? Not sure if that is really relevant because I don't
>> >>>> know about the user base
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cheers
>> >>>> Christian
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > Scott
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >>>> > <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Scott Deboy
>> >>>> >> <scott.deboy@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >> > I think the gotcha there had something to do with
making sure
>> >>>> >> > the
>> >>>> >> > jnlp
>> >>>> >> > file mapping was correctly supported. It has been
about eight
>> >>>> >> > years,
>> >>>> >> > but
>> >>>> >> > that is my recollection.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > That and the stupid maven template support would not
allow us to
>> >>>> >> > use
>> >>>> >> > an
>> >>>> >> > image as the link (a 'launch' webstart graphical button
as the
>> >>>> >> > link)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Is there something speaking against downloading an exe/dmg/zip
via
>> >>>> >> the
>> >>>> >> usual download system?
>> >>>> >> Or is webstart the killer feature for chainsaw? :-)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> Cheers
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > Scott
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:46 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> >>>> >> > <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >> On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 7:07 AM, Ralph Goers
>> >>>> >> >> <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>> I believe all the hard work on the logging
site is completed
>> >>>> >> >>> however
>> >>>> >> >>> some of the sub projects are yet to be published.
 I would
>> >>>> >> >>> like to
>> >>>> >> >>> have
>> >>>> >> >>> infra convert loggingtest.apache.org to logging.apache.org
but
>> >>>> >> >>> I
>> >>>> >> >>> don't want
>> >>>> >> >>> to get 404s on those sub projects.
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> I looked at chainsaw and the download page
will certainly
>> >>>> >> >>> break if
>> >>>> >> >>> I
>> >>>> >> >>> were to just copy the content.  I'm not sure
about the others.
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> Any ideas?
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Just added log4cxx to loggingtest.a.o. Its using
the download
>> >>>> >> >> script
>> >>>> >> >> which generates a list of mirrors so no problem
here. In
>> >>>> >> >> addition I
>> >>>> >> >> completed the branding requirements for log4cxx
so we can leave
>> >>>> >> >> that
>> >>>> >> >> untouched for a while now.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> I am not sure on the chainsaw one. It seems to
bypass the
>> >>>> >> >> mirroring
>> >>>> >> >> system which is kind a bad. Instead we should
change the site
>> >>>> >> >> to
>> >>>> >> >> use
>> >>>> >> >> the download script imho. Maybe Scott can comment
here.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> That being said, the chainsaw site needs an appropriate
footer.
>> >>>> >> >> Basically the maven.vm template could be used
in chainsaw too.
>> >>>> >> >> So
>> >>>> >> >> we
>> >>>> >> >> have 2 tasks here, update to branding and use
the mirror
>> >>>> >> >> system.
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> cheers
>> >>>> >> >> Christian
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> Ralph
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> --
>> >>>> >> >> http://www.grobmeier.de
>> >>>> >> >> https://www.timeandbill.de
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> --
>> >>>> >> http://www.grobmeier.de
>> >>>> >> https://www.timeandbill.de
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>> >>>> https://www.timeandbill.de
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > http://www.grobmeier.de
>> > https://www.timeandbill.de
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