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See http://www.apache.org/dev/cmsref.html for info on using the CMS directly=
.

Ralph

On May 31, 2012, at 3:23 AM, Ralph Goers <rgoers@apache.org> wrote:

> My understanding is if you want to use their system we can use their web U=
I to edit stuff and we don't really have to do anything. Whatever you do, yo=
u can just use the area I already created which is documented in the Jira is=
sue.
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> Ralph
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> On May 30, 2012, at 11:48 PM, Ivan Habunek <ivan.habunek@gmail.com> wrote:=

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>> Agreed about Perl. Not a fan either. Also I think speed will not be a
>> factor for the logging web for a long time, maybe never.
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>> I have never used Quercus so I'm not an expert. There is a maven
>> plugin [1]. I'm not sure if you need to run the Resin server to make
>> it work. However, this would make the build more complicated. I mean,
>> running PHP in Java? :) I would prefer to keep it simple.
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>> I see 3 possiblities:
>> a) Start using their supported Django-like templates [2], this
>> probably would not be that much work if we can survive a bit of Perl.
>> b) Wait for infra to setup PHP (they did not say thew would not do it,
>> just that "It'll take time"). ETA unknown.
>> c) Switch back to building the logging web manually and commiting it
>> to svn as originally planned.
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>> If you wish I can attempt to make the first option work. This might be
>> the simplest solution since it would eliminate the need to pack Twig
>> and Textile with the project.
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>> I just hope their Textile support (version 0.2) is any good. :-)
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>> Regards,
>> Ivan
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>> [1] http://wiki.caucho.com/Maven2
>> [2] http://www.dotiac.com/cgi-bin/index.pl
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>> On 31 May 2012 07:38, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>> Infra has updated https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4699 and
>>> basically said they aren't going to install PHP anytime soon and that we=

>>> should convert to using something Perl-based.  I've gotta say that I use=
d
>>> Perl for a while many years ago in my day job and absolutely hated it.  I=

>>> would only work on the tool periodically and found that every time I cam=
e
>>> back to work on it I had to re-learn Perl all over again.  So basically,=
 I'd
>>> prefer to find other options.  Since they support Maven based builds the=
y
>>> obviously support Java so is it possible we could use Quercus instead of=

>>> native PHP?  I know very little about PHP to know if this makes a lot of=

>>> sense or not.
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>>> Ralph
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>>> On May 29, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
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>>> I updated the Jira issue with the 4 items Daniel told me needed to be do=
ne.
>>> I did the first 3 and now I think we are just waiting for Infra to finis=
h.
>>> If one of you would like to ping them that would be fine with me as I'm n=
ot
>>> going to be able to do much in the next 24 hrs.
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>>> Ralph
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>>> On May 27, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
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>>> I've checked in what Ivan did to
>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/branches/cms/trunk as Herv=
e
>>> suggested.  I found 1 bug in build.php and fixed that and added a
>>> requirement to specify the output directory on the command line. I also
>>> moved the content and templates to the appropriate directories.
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>>> Ralph
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>>> On May 23, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
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>>> Thanks. Please let me know when we are at the point where I can try to a=
dd
>>> Log4j 2 on to the site.
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>>> Ralph
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>>> On May 23, 2012, at 9:30 AM, Ivan Habunek wrote:
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>>> I have given infra the requirements. We're waiting for them to set it up=
.
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>>> Regards,
>>> Ivan
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>>> On 23 May 2012 17:57, Ralph Goers <rgoers@apache.org> wrote:
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>>>> Ivan,
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>>>> Were you able to get a test site to work yet?
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>>>> Ralph
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>>>> On May 22, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Ivan Habunek wrote:
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>>>> Yeah, sorry I haven't been more involved in the discussion. I've been t=
o
>>>> the phpday conference in Verona, and haven't had time to catch up.
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>>>> I posted a comment to the INFRA ticket with the required information. I=
'll
>>>> keep in the loop from now on to answer any other questions.
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>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ivan
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>>>> On 22 May 2012 13:40, Ralph Goers <rgoers@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Ivan,
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>>>>> Daniel has updated the Jira and asked "Can you provide a list of
>>>>> dependencies of your site's build process?  (as port names --
>>>>> see www.freshports.org -- for those deps that are in ports)"
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Since you have actually built the test site could you possibly help wi=
th
>>>>> this? The issue is https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4699.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On May 2, 2012, at 2:11 AM, Ivan Habunek <ivan.habunek@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I was away for a bit so I didn't comment earlier.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> My idea is to generate the site using Twig [1], a nice PHP templating
>>>>> engine, in combination with Textile markup [2], which is much more ver=
satile
>>>>> than most other common markup languages (such as markdown, apt, ...).
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I have already converted the logging web site. The code can be found
>>>>> here:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/branches/experimental-twi=
g-textile/
>>>>>=20
>>>>> And I have deployed the generated web for demo here:
>>>>> http://bezdomni.net/logging/
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>>>>> This idea is obviously not compatible with the Apache CMS solution.
>>>>> Frankly, I would prefer this solution to the CMS since, from what I ha=
ve
>>>>> seen, the CMS is quite a pain to use.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>=20
>>>>> [1] http://twig.sensiolabs.org/
>>>>> [2] http://textile.sitemonks.com/
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>>>>>=20
>>>>> On 2 May 2012 10:44, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Ralph Goers
>>>>>> <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> What i thought was, why not to clean it up? Your proposed solutions
>>>>>>> seem to be the cleanest way and updating everything just when we nee=
d
>>>>>>> an update to the main site feels somehow wrong
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Joe has now proposed using the CMS for the main Logging web site alo=
ng
>>>>>>> with expaths.txt + svnpubsub for each sub-project. Each sub-project
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> then use svn externals so they could be independently managed. This
>>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>>> perfect to me.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> OK I understand svn externals is like "symlinks for svn". Sounds ok.
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I am a bit concerned on the CMS. Ivan has put much effort in the webs=
ite
>>>>>> design:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/branches/experimental-re=
design/src/site/pages/
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> I will ask infra (on the ticket) if it is possible to either use that=

>>>>>> design for the CMS or if we can bypass the CMS feature for this one
>>>>>> too...
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>>>>> https://www.timeandbill.de
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