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[99.180.69.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d2sm20790121pbw.39.2012.05.20.15.15.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 20 May 2012 15:15:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Ralph Goers Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6E105F6D-7732-4DAD-8D74-E3B7B093CCB3" Subject: Re: Logging web sites Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 15:15:46 -0700 In-Reply-To: <2019863.oGSPEhfnOM@bigmax> To: "Logging General" References: <7F1F7665-D82D-4374-988C-F400A3610205@dslextreme.com> <6723759.HASrqZ9r3A@bigmax> <2019863.oGSPEhfnOM@bigmax> Message-Id: <2509D55B-5BAC-4C48-95A4-36A7AAAABC2D@dslextreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmvq3sF88ZiKEOZDm5aH/gNLrKLevyNTICE5iCF7pxjbb5gWJCxr/p/iEit7O8pgBvqYVKB --Apple-Mail=_6E105F6D-7732-4DAD-8D74-E3B7B093CCB3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Based on your other answers I'm in favor of going with option 1. I = think we should start by having infra set up a loggingtest site. and = then see if we can't get Ivan's build to work (preferably in English). Ralph On May 20, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Herv=E9 BOUTEMY wrote: > ok, so it's a custom rendering engine > =20 > so I see 2 solutions: > =20 > 1. either infra adds this engine as external, like it did with "mvn = site": you'll have to put sources in content, to trigger html generation = on each source update, buildbot will build the html, then you'll use the = CMS web interface to publish staged content > =20 > 2. either infra simply adds svnpubsub, without any CMS integration, ie = any source modification integration nor html build from sources. I don't = know if they do that. But that way, you're completely free, you only use = svnpubsub: it's up to you to get the tooling to put html content to svn. > =20 > With 1st solution, main site is automatically published at each = commit, each component being protected from erase by extpath.txt. > With 2nd solution, main site is manually published when somebody does = it, like components during releases, and you'll have to take care of not = removing components content when publishing. > =20 > Regards, > =20 > Herv=E9 > =20 > Le dimanche 20 mai 2012 12:53:27 Ralph Goers a =E9crit : > Here was what Ivan proposed - = http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/logging-general/201205.mbox/ajax/= %3CCAKpWnhTiVEe0M54UOFHGXTUOPq3TX2Jd_Z-a7B9H_pfnxQmCDg%40mail.gmail.com%3E= >=20 >=20 > Ralph >=20 > On May 20, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Herv=E9 BOUTEMY wrote: > I'm now subscribed to general@logging > Thanks Ralph for INFRA-4669: it gives me good information on actual = status. > =20 > The main question IMHO for the moment is: how are you planning to = generate main site html? Maven, CMS's markdown, another tool? > Then each component will have its own generation tool, with the only = expectation is to output html to svn > =20 > Regards, > =20 > Herv=E9 > =20 > Le dimanche 20 mai 2012 11:58:16 Ralph Goers a =E9crit : > If you meant me, of course I'm subscribed to Maven Dev as I'm on the = PMC. However, I haven't done any work there in a very long time. This = list would seem to be more appropriate for a logging related discussion. >=20 >=20 > To reiterate a bit for Herv=E9's sake, I've opened = https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4699 which is sort of in a = state of limbo waiting for us to tell infra what we actually want. We = haven't responded because we aren't really sure. So the first piece we = need is something to tell infra so that we can actually start doing = something. >=20 > Ralph > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_6E105F6D-7732-4DAD-8D74-E3B7B093CCB3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Based on your other answers I'm in favor of going = with option 1.  I think we should start by having infra set up a = loggingtest site. and then see if we can't get Ivan's build to work = (preferably in = English).

Ralph

On May 20, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Herv=E9 BOUTEMY wrote:

ok, so it's a custom rendering engine

 

so I see 2 = solutions:

 

1. either infra adds this engine as external, like it did with = "mvn site": you'll have to put sources in content, to trigger html = generation on each source update, buildbot will build the html, then = you'll use the CMS web interface to publish staged content

 

2. either infra = simply adds svnpubsub, without any CMS integration, ie any source = modification integration nor html build from sources. I don't know if = they do that. But that way, you're completely free, you only use = svnpubsub: it's up to you to get the tooling to put html content to = svn.

 

With 1st solution, main site is automatically published at each = commit, each component being protected from erase by = extpath.txt.
With 2nd solution, main site is manually published when somebody = does it, like components during releases, and you'll have to take care = of not removing components content when publishing.

 

 

Herv=E9

 

Le dimanche 20 mai 2012 12:53:27 Ralph Goers a =E9crit = :

Here was what Ivan proposed - http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/logging-general/201205.mbox/aja= x/%3CCAKpWnhTiVEe0M54UOFHGXTUOPq3TX2Jd_Z-a7B9H_pfnxQmCDg%40mail.gmail.com%= 3E


Ralph

On May 20, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Herv=E9 BOUTEMY = wrote:

I'm now subscribed to general@logging

Thanks Ralph for INFRA-4669: it = gives me good information on actual status.

 

The main = question IMHO for the moment is: how are you planning to generate main = site html? Maven, CMS's markdown, another tool?
Then each = component will have its own generation tool, with the only expectation = is to output html to svn

 

Regards,

 

Herv=E9
Le dimanche 20 mai 2012 11:58:16 Ralph Goers a =E9crit = :

If you meant me, of course I'm subscribed to Maven = Dev as I'm on the PMC.  However, I haven't done any work there in a = very long time.  This list would seem to be more appropriate for a = logging related discussion.


To reiterate a bit = for Herv=E9's sake, I've opened 

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