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[99.180.69.21]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n10sm7280120obu.23.2012.04.20.11.46.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:46:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Ralph Goers Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D751F419-1B4C-45C6-8D37-BE063B9EA0BD" Subject: Re: Logging web sites Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 11:46:17 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "Logging General" References: <7F1F7665-D82D-4374-988C-F400A3610205@dslextreme.com> <5A721A48-89B0-41E1-A245-CB62837C1B36@dslextreme.com> <68FC237E-97CF-418E-8AAF-1ED6C7E21635@dslextreme.com> <5C8B3DE5-AA06-4548-96D9-27A0EE5B8D97@dslextreme.com> Message-Id: <2913190B-6E3B-4223-B3FF-98A09CCF89EB@dslextreme.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn8nd4CZQ7Wxv1baLB2ql7C6e2Fh2msWOjs+iCz1C/3OczOSTmM44fL431cJgziA5cmVs4/ X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail=_D751F419-1B4C-45C6-8D37-BE063B9EA0BD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had a conversation with Daniel. =46rom what I can tell the current = Logging web site is maintained at = https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/trunk/docs. I've never = maintained the logging web site but some of the sub projects there, such = as log4j, were definitely built by Maven. What daniel is telling me is = that as far as Infra is concerned we can continue to use that same = location with svnpubsub. However, editing the main site only would = either require checking out all the subproject sites too or using svn = checkout --depth=3Dimmediates. My question is, how has the web site been maintained in the past? =20 Ralph On Apr 20, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > thank you Ralph! >=20 > On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Ralph Goers = wrote: >> I've created https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4699 and = modeled it >> after Ant. That was the only project I know of that has sub sites. >>=20 >> Ralph >>=20 >>=20 >> On Apr 19, 2012, at 1:10 AM, Ivan Habunek wrote: >>=20 >> Sounds good to me. Having a separate folder (/site/main) for the main = site >> is great. Currently it's in root and I'm not sure how I would go = about >> updating it. >>=20 >> Regards, >> Ivan >>=20 >> On 19 April 2012 09:11, Ralph Goers = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Does anyone else have any other thoughts before I open an infra = ticket? >>>=20 >>> Ralph >>>=20 >>> On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:20 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Ralph Goers >>>> wrote: >>>>> I'm OK with this, but I'm not sure if infra is OK with that = structure. >>>>> Based on that I think what we want to request is the following be = added to >>>>> the rules. >>>>>=20 >>>>> /x1/www/www.apache.org/dist/logging: %(DIST)s/release/logging >>>>>=20 >>>>> /x1/www/logging.apache.org: %(ASF)s/logging/site/main >>>>> /x1/www/logging.apache.org/log4j: %(ASF)s/logging/site/log4j >>>>> /x1/www/logging.apache.org/log4j2: %(ASF)s/logging/site/log4j2 >>>>> /x1/www/logging.apache.org/log4php: %(ASF)s/logging/site/log4php >>>>> /x1/www/logging.apache.org/log4cxx: %(ASF)s/logging/site/log4cxx >>>>> /x1/www/logging.apache.org/log4net: %(ASF)s/logging/site/log4net >>>>=20 >>>> great, didn't know it is possible. >>>>=20 >>>>> chainsaw and log4j companions also show up on the main site. Do we = also >>>>> want those? >>>>=20 >>>> I think so. Imho we should start treat Chainsaw more as a product = on >>>> its own. Companions is small but we should treat it the same way. = That >>>> would ease things I think. But thats just my 2 cents. >>>>=20 >>>> Cheers >>>> Christian >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Ralph >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Ralph Goers >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I'm actually more concerned with us having to use svnpubsub >>>>>>> (see http://www.apache.org/dev/project-site.html). The maven = team >>>>>>> created a >>>>>>> plugin - >>>>>>> http://maven.apache.org/sandbox/plugins/asf-svnpubsub-plugin/ = to >>>>>>> aid in this but I haven't tired it. I also understand that it >>>>>>> requires the >>>>>>> main website to have something done to it first. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> didn't know about the mvn plug - thanks! >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Log4j2 uses the Maven site plugin so I guess I really need to = know is >>>>>>> what >>>>>>> the location of the svn directory would be to pass to >>>>>>> svnpubsub:prepare. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> What about: >>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/pubsub/$project >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> For example: >>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/pubsub/log4j2 >>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/pubsub/log4php >>>>>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/pubsub/main (start = site) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> and so on >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:14 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Ralph Goers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Do we have a process in place for updating the web site? I'm = trying >>>>>>> to go >>>>>>> through any issues that might exist with doing a release of = Log4j2 >>>>>>> and this >>>>>>> is one of them. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I am not aware of a specific process (old timers might want to >>>>>>> correct me). >>>>>>> So far I know we have updated the website whenever the release = has >>>>>>> been published. I am not a huge fan of restricting website = updates to >>>>>>> releases and think we should be able to update at any time we = want. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> This again touches the question with pubsub. We need to make a >>>>>>> decision if we move to mvn site:deploy or do something else. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>>>>> https://www.timeandbill.de >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>>>> https://www.timeandbill.de >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> http://www.grobmeier.de >>>> https://www.timeandbill.de >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > http://www.grobmeier.de > https://www.timeandbill.de --Apple-Mail=_D751F419-1B4C-45C6-8D37-BE063B9EA0BD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii https://= svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/trunk/docs.  I've never = maintained the logging web site but some of the sub projects there, such = as log4j, were definitely built by Maven. What daniel is telling me is = that as far as Infra is concerned we can continue to use that same = location with svnpubsub.  However, editing the main site only would = either require checking out all the subproject sites too or = using svn checkout = --depth=3Dimmediates.

My = question is, how has the web site been maintained in the past? =  

thank = you Ralph!

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:27 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com&= gt; wrote:
I've created https://issues.a= pache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4699 and modeled = it
after Ant. That was the = only project I know of that has sub sites.

Ralph


On Apr 19, = 2012, at 1:10 AM, Ivan Habunek wrote:

Sounds good to = me. Having a separate folder (/site/main) for the main = site
is great. Currently it's = in root and I'm not sure how I would go = about
updating = it.

Regards,
Ivan

On 19 April = 2012 09:11, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com&= gt; wrote:

Does anyone else have any other = thoughts before I open an infra = ticket?

Ralph

On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:20 PM, = Christian Grobmeier wrote:

On = Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Ralph = Goers
<ralph.goers@dslextreme.com&= gt; wrote:
I'm OK with this, but I'm not = sure if infra is OK with that = structure.
Based on that I think what we = want to request is the following be added = to
the = rules.

/x1/www/www.apache.org/dist/logging: = %(DIST)s/release/logging

/x1/www/logging.apache.org: = %(ASF)s/logging/site/main
/x1/www/logging.apache.org/log4j: = %(ASF)s/logging/site/log4j
/x1/www/logging.apache.org/log4j2:= = %(ASF)s/logging/site/log4j2
/x1/www/logging.apache.org/log4php: = %(ASF)s/logging/site/log4php
/x1/www/logging.apache.org/log4cxx: = %(ASF)s/logging/site/log4cxx
/x1/www/logging.apache.org/log4net: = %(ASF)s/logging/site/log4net

great, = didn't know it is = possible.

chainsaw and log4j companions = also show up on the main site. Do we = also
want = those?

I = think so. Imho we should start treat Chainsaw more as a product = on
its = own. Companions is small but we should treat it the same way. = That
would = ease things I think. But thats just my 2 = cents.

Cheers
Christian


Ralph

On Apr 16, 2012, at 12:37 AM, = Christian Grobmeier = wrote:

On = Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:31 AM, Ralph = Goers
=
<ralph.goers@dslextreme.com&= gt; = wrote:
I'm actually more concerned with = us having to use = svnpubsub
(see = http://www.apache.org= /dev/project-site.html).  The maven = team
<= /blockquote>
created = a
plugin = -
htt= p://maven.apache.org/sandbox/plugins/asf-svnpubsub-plugin/ =  to
aid in = this but I haven't tired it. I also understand that = it
requires = the
main website to have something = done to it = first.

didn't = know about the mvn plug - = thanks!

Log4j2 uses the Maven site = plugin so I guess I really need to know = is
what
=
the = location of the svn directory would be to pass = to
svnpubsub:prepare.

What = about:
http= ://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/pubsub/$project

For = example:
http:/= /svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/pubsub/log4j2
<= /blockquote>
http:= //svn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/pubsub/log4php
http://s= vn.apache.org/repos/asf/logging/site/pubsub/main (start = site)
=

and so = on





Ralph


On Apr = 16, 2012, at 12:14 AM, Christian Grobmeier = wrote:

On = Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Ralph = Goers
=
<ralph.goers@dslextreme.com&= gt;
wrote:

Do we = have a process in place for updating the web site?  I'm = trying
to = go
through any issues that might = exist with doing a release of = Log4j2
and = this
<= /blockquote>
is one = of = them.
=


I am = not aware of a specific process (old timers might want = to
correct = me).
<= /blockquote>
So far = I know we have updated the website whenever the release = has
been published. I am not a huge = fan of restricting website updates = to
releases and think we should be = able to update at any time we = want.
=

This = again touches the question with pubsub. We need to make = a
decision if we move to mvn = site:deploy or do something = else.
=

Cheers
Christian


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