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From "Stephan Strittmatter" <step...@st-strittmatter.name>
Subject Re: [ANN] log4js - logging for JavaScript
Date Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:17:45 GMT
Hello Arnold,

thank you very much for this detailed answer. I see, it is not so easy to
get in. On the other hand this is really okay as this makes shure to have
really good software at Apache.
I thought it is easier to get sandbox access. But understanding now the
processes at Apache I will check for an hosting service.

Thank you very much. But I think, we should leave the bugzilla issue
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=36961 open to have
probably in future the possibility to incubate the proyect, what do you

Kind regards,


> --- Urspr√ľngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: Curt Arnold <carnold@apache.org>
> An: Logging General <general@logging.apache.org>
> Betreff: Re: [ANN] log4js - logging for JavaScript
> Datum: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:36:51 -0600
> On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:29 AM, Stephan Strittmatter wrote:
> > Hello Arnold,
> >
> > you are speaking out of my soul. It is not required to have "my"  
> > version of
> > logging at Apache. I and Seth already contacted some of the authors  
> > (or
> > tried) you are refered as links.
> > My intention is first to have a API for logging, which is as most as
> > possible the same than log4j.
> > Having a Sandbox would be really great. I would then invite all the  
> > guys to
> > have a look there.
> > The idea is to focus all these ideas and energy to one project  
> > where you
> > have not to think about which API should I use now.
> >
> > When do you think, we could get such a sandbox? Currently it is very
> > difficult to exchange the sources via mail.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Stephan
> There is a process for accepting existing code bases into ASF and a  
> another process for granting commit rights to the ASF SVN.  Both of  
> which are designed to protect the integrity of the Apache brand and  
> that any legal issues down the road are minimized.  The process for  
> accepting existing code bases is particularly demanding.  If you are  
> CVS or SVN to continue work on your framework in the short term, I  
> would suggest looking elsewhere.  Either ask the guy who has  
> log4js.sourceforge.net to give you rights to his CVS (he doesn't seem  
> to be using it), or find another free or commercial hosting service.   
> I'd much rather pitch in to fund a commercial hosting service than to  
> mess with the Incubation Process unless there is a compelling reason.
> Starting a sandbox effort is not terribly complicated.  The "sandbox"  
> concept is basically an area where the existing committers have a  
> place to experiment and possibly fail.   Not sure whether we can  
> build a community around a logging framework for JavaScript, but it  
> does seem a noble experiment and worth the effort to try.
> Given the significance of starting a JavaScript sandbox, it is worth  
> some discussion before an eventual vote is called.  Everyone is  
> welcome to vote but only the votes of the existing committers are  
> binding.  Once set up, there would be an directory in the Logging  
> Services sandbox with public read-access but commit rights would be  
> restricted to existing Logging Services committers until such time as  
> the Project Management Committee decides to grant other individuals  
> commit rights per the existing by-laws (http://logging.apache.org/ 
> site/bylaws.html).  Commit rights are not lightly bestowed, so expect  
> to work with an existing committer for a while.
> If there is some consensus that development should proceed, then  
> those individuals who expect to work on the project should sign an  
> Contributors License Agreement (http://www.apache.org/licenses) to  
> clearly define the terms of their contributions.  If the effort in  
> the sandbox develops something useful and a community around it, then  
> it could be promoted to a full-fledged product of the Logging  
> Services Project.  Otherwise, it will stick around as a noble, but  
> failed, experiment.

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