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From "Stephan Strittmatter" <step...@st-strittmatter.name>
Subject Re: [ANN] log4js - logging for JavaScript
Date Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:27:43 GMT
Hello *,

now I was able to get hosting for free at BerliOS. Log4js is now hosted at
http://developer.berlios.de/projects/log4js/

Probably in future Log4js will get worth for Apache. Have a look and any 
feedback is welcome.

Kind regards,

Stephan

> --- Urspr√ľngliche Nachricht ---
> Von: "Stephan Strittmatter" <stephan@st-strittmatter.name>
> An: "Logging General" <general@logging.apache.org>
> Kopie: general@logging.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [ANN] log4js - logging for JavaScript
> Datum: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:17:45 +0100 (MET)
> 
> Hello Arnold,
> 
> thank you very much for this detailed answer. I see, it is not so easy to
> get in. On the other hand this is really okay as this makes shure to have
> really good software at Apache.
> I thought it is easier to get sandbox access. But understanding now the
> processes at Apache I will check for an hosting service.
> 
> Thank you very much. But I think, we should leave the bugzilla issue
> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=36961 open to have
> probably in future the possibility to incubate the proyect, what do you
> think?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Stephan
> 
> > --- Urspr√ľngliche Nachricht ---
> > Von: Curt Arnold <carnold@apache.org>
> > An: Logging General <general@logging.apache.org>
> > Betreff: Re: [ANN] log4js - logging for JavaScript
> > Datum: Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:36:51 -0600
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 21, 2005, at 3:29 AM, Stephan Strittmatter wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello Arnold,
> > >
> > > you are speaking out of my soul. It is not required to have "my"  
> > > version of
> > > logging at Apache. I and Seth already contacted some of the authors  
> > > (or
> > > tried) you are refered as links.
> > > My intention is first to have a API for logging, which is as most as
> > > possible the same than log4j.
> > > Having a Sandbox would be really great. I would then invite all the  
> > > guys to
> > > have a look there.
> > > The idea is to focus all these ideas and energy to one project  
> > > where you
> > > have not to think about which API should I use now.
> > >
> > > When do you think, we could get such a sandbox? Currently it is very
> > > difficult to exchange the sources via mail.
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Stephan
> > 
> > There is a process for accepting existing code bases into ASF and a  
> > another process for granting commit rights to the ASF SVN.  Both of  
> > which are designed to protect the integrity of the Apache brand and  
> > that any legal issues down the road are minimized.  The process for  
> > accepting existing code bases is particularly demanding.  If you are  
> > CVS or SVN to continue work on your framework in the short term, I  
> > would suggest looking elsewhere.  Either ask the guy who has  
> > log4js.sourceforge.net to give you rights to his CVS (he doesn't seem  
> > to be using it), or find another free or commercial hosting service.   
> > I'd much rather pitch in to fund a commercial hosting service than to  
> > mess with the Incubation Process unless there is a compelling reason.
> > 
> > Starting a sandbox effort is not terribly complicated.  The "sandbox"  
> > concept is basically an area where the existing committers have a  
> > place to experiment and possibly fail.   Not sure whether we can  
> > build a community around a logging framework for JavaScript, but it  
> > does seem a noble experiment and worth the effort to try.
> > 
> > Given the significance of starting a JavaScript sandbox, it is worth  
> > some discussion before an eventual vote is called.  Everyone is  
> > welcome to vote but only the votes of the existing committers are  
> > binding.  Once set up, there would be an directory in the Logging  
> > Services sandbox with public read-access but commit rights would be  
> > restricted to existing Logging Services committers until such time as  
> > the Project Management Committee decides to grant other individuals  
> > commit rights per the existing by-laws (http://logging.apache.org/ 
> > site/bylaws.html).  Commit rights are not lightly bestowed, so expect  
> > to work with an existing committer for a while.
> > 
> > If there is some consensus that development should proceed, then  
> > those individuals who expect to work on the project should sign an  
> > Contributors License Agreement (http://www.apache.org/licenses) to  
> > clearly define the terms of their contributions.  If the effort in  
> > the sandbox develops something useful and a community around it, then  
> > it could be promoted to a full-fledged product of the Logging  
> > Services Project.  Otherwise, it will stick around as a noble, but  
> > failed, experiment.
> 

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