Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-logging-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 59688 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 04:52:21 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 04:52:21 -0000 Received: (qmail 66234 invoked by uid 500); 9 Jan 2004 04:52:01 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-logging-general-archive@logging.apache.org Received: (qmail 66217 invoked by uid 500); 9 Jan 2004 04:52:01 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@logging.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: "Logging General" Delivered-To: mailing list general@logging.apache.org Received: (qmail 66204 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 04:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com) (66.163.170.81) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 04:52:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hogwarts) (m-m-womack@sbcglobal.net@68.120.198.106 with login) by smtp811.mail.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 04:52:11 -0000 Message-ID: <003a01c3d66c$5b307420$6401a8c0@hogwarts> From: "Mark Womack" To: "Logging General" References: <9C5166762F311146951505C6790A9CF8013DFA08@US-VS1.corp.mpi.com> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Setup Logging Wiki Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 20:52:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Yoav, I agree that the free form nature of the wiki can sometimes be a harm as well as a benefit. The part that I like most is that anyone can participate in creating the content, not just the committers. So, if someone out there gets the gumption to create and maintain a bunch of useful pages, they can do it. It would be a great first step towards becoming a committer. Then they could update/maintain real web pages. ;-) -Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shapira, Yoav" To: "Logging General" Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:14 AM Subject: RE: [VOTE] Setup Logging Wiki Howdy, > From reading past e-mails on the subject of the wiki at Nagoya, there >has been some concern that the size of the Wiki has meant no-one is >keeping an eye on the content. I would that there's something even worse, which is lack of version control, leading to an ability for anyone to simply wipe out a page which may have contained much valuable information from many users. This happened to us with an important section of the tomcat wiki faq page. This is one of the reasons I don't much care for a public wiki, but much prefer a normal web FAQ page (i.e. maintained and updated by people with CVS access to logging-site, e.g. the jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/faq). I think wiki is nice in theory for this sort of use, but I haven't seen it work in practice yet. That said, there's no harm in having a wiki since it's not a critical resource, so I don't mind having it sit there ;) Yoav Shapira This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business communication, and may contain information that is confidential, proprietary and/or privileged. This e-mail is intended only for the individual(s) to whom it is addressed, and may not be saved, copied, printed, disclosed or used by anyone else. If you are not the(an) intended recipient, please immediately delete this e-mail from your computer system and notify the sender. Thank you.