From general-return-105-apmail-logging-general-archive=logging.apache.org@logging.apache.org Fri Jan 09 13:14:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-logging-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 4794 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 13:14:09 -0000 Received: from daedalus.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (208.185.179.12) by minotaur-2.apache.org with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 13:14:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 54179 invoked by uid 500); 9 Jan 2004 13:14:07 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-logging-general-archive@logging.apache.org Received: (qmail 54153 invoked by uid 500); 9 Jan 2004 13:14:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@logging.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Reply-To: "Logging General" Delivered-To: mailing list general@logging.apache.org Received: (qmail 54140 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2004 13:14:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mustang.mpi.com) (63.244.250.132) by daedalus.apache.org with SMTP; 9 Jan 2004 13:14:07 -0000 Received: from lightning.mpi.com (lightning.mpi.com [63.244.252.11]) by mustang.mpi.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id i09DBFa13824 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:11:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from US-VS1.corp.mpi.com (us-be2.corp.mpi.com [63.244.252.32]) by lightning.mpi.com (Switch-3.0.5/Switch-3.0.0) with ESMTP id i09DDdVX009034 for ; Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:13:50 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [VOTE] Setup Logging Wiki Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 08:12:46 -0500 Message-ID: <9C5166762F311146951505C6790A9CF8013DFA2A@US-VS1.corp.mpi.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [VOTE] Setup Logging Wiki Thread-Index: AcPWbD8HIP/AGcCWQvCuInqXKOP1wAARepoA From: "Shapira, Yoav" To: "Logging General" X-Spam-Rating: daedalus.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N X-Spam-Rating: minotaur-2.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Howdy, ... sure, until someone accidentally erases everything they've contributed, and then we'll see how spirited they are about contributi= ng more ;) I'm just playing Devil's Advocate, though, so +1 from me, let= 's get the wiki created and hopefully people will indeed find it useful. Yoav Shapira Millennium ChemInformatics >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Womack [mailto:mwomack@apache.org] >Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:52 PM >To: Logging General >Subject: Re: [VOTE] Setup Logging Wiki > >Yoav, > >I agree that the free form nature of the wiki can sometimes be a harm= as >well as a benefit. The part that I like most is that anyone can >participate >in creating the content, not just the committers. So, if someone out= there >gets the gumption to create and maintain a bunch of useful pages, the= y can >do it. It would be a great first step towards becoming a committer. Then >they could update/maintain real web pages. ;-) > >-Mark > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Shapira, Yoav" >To: "Logging General" >Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 5:14 AM >Subject: RE: [VOTE] Setup Logging Wiki > > > >Howdy, > >> From reading past e-mails on the subject of the wiki at Nagoya, the= re >>has been some concern that the size of the Wiki has meant no-one is >>keeping an eye on the content. > >I would that there's something even worse, which is lack of version >control, leading to an ability for anyone to simply wipe out a page >which may have contained much valuable information from many users. >This happened to us with an important section of the tomcat wiki faq >page. > >This is one of the reasons I don't much care for a public wiki, but much >prefer a normal web FAQ page (i.e. maintained and updated by people with >CVS access to logging-site, e.g. the jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/faq). = I >think wiki is nice in theory for this sort of use, but I haven't seen= it >work in practice yet. > >That said, there's no harm in having a wiki since it's not a critical= >resource, so I don't mind having it sit there ;) > >Yoav Shapira > > > > >This e-mail, including any attachments, is a confidential business >communication, and may contain information that is confidential, >proprietary >and/or privileged. 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