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From Ceki Gülcü <c...@qos.ch>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Setup Logging Wiki
Date Thu, 08 Jan 2004 09:39:09 GMT
At 12:18 AM 1/8/2004 -0800, Mark Womack wrote:
>I thought so too.  And Noel replied to me:
> > Mark Womack wrote:
> >
> >> but maybe there is an argument for it to be:
> >> wiki.apache.org/jakarta/$subproject
> >
> > As I have explained before, that would be a wiki named jakarta with a page
> > named $subproject.  Change notices would go to the address defined for the
> > wiki, e.g., site-cvs@jakarta.apache.org
>It doesn't fit into the way the wiki structures the pages, unfortunately.
>It would be more natural.  That is unless we want to have a single wiki with
>the subprojects just being pages.  But then everyone will get the change
>notices for all the page changes and it will tougher for subprojects to
>monitor changes specific to their pages.
>I guess I missed some big discussions somewhere about the oversight
>requirements for the wiki page content.  Did anyone lurk/participate in that
>discussion.  Are there legal reasons we have to maintain oversight or is it
>just a need/desire to keep pages correct, etc?

I am unsure about any legal reasons but receiving notifications on
changes (think CVS) is so much part of the Apache culture. Several
members have been complaining, and rightly so, about the notification
issue since the first day the wiki on Nagoya was set up. If we pretend
to offer a modicum of quality to our users, then there is a need to
supervise that offer. Quite basic stuff -- basic as in fundamental not
as in simple.

As long as at least one person who cares gets the notification upon change,
then we will do fine.

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ceki Gülcü" <ceki@qos.ch>
>To: "Logging General" <general@logging.apache.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 10:01 AM
>Subject: RE: [VOTE] Setup Logging Wiki
>Hi Mark,
>As Yoav put it, wiki.apache.org/logging/$subproject sounds more natural but
>if you think wiki.apache.org/logging-$subproject is better, then so be it.
>At 08:50 AM 1/7/2004 -0500, Shapira, Yoav wrote:
> >Howdy,
> >
> > >2) Request infrastructure@apache.org create a wiki for log4j at:
> > >
> > >  wiki.apache.org/logging-log4j
> > >
> > >The current Jakarta log4j wiki pages will also be ported/converted to
> >the
> > >new location so we won't have to recreate them.
> > >Change notifications to the wiki will be mailed to:
> > >log4j-cvs@logging.apache.org.
> > >
> > >The general format for future subproject wiki's will be
> > >
> > >  wiki.apache.org/logging-$subproject
> >
> >Hmm, why not wiki.apache.org/logging/$subproject, i.e. a slash rather
> >than a hyphen as the separator?  Seems more natural, consistent with the
> >rest of the world ;)
> >
> >Other than that, I like everything in your message, +1 ;)
> >
> >Yoav Shapira
>Ceki Gülcü
>       For log4j documentation consider "The complete log4j manual"
>       ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp

Ceki Gülcü

      For log4j documentation consider "The complete log4j manual"
      ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp  

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