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From "Andreas Kuckartz" <A.Kucka...@ping.de>
Subject Fw: Reliable XML/XSL editors for Cocoon development ?
Date Tue, 23 Nov 2004 15:53:21 GMT


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andreas Kuckartz" <A.Kuckartz@ping.de>
To: "Lenya Developers List" <dev@lenya.apache.org>; <users@lenya.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:47 PM
Subject: Fw: Reliable XML/XSL editors for Cocoon development ?


> I am forwarding a question from the Cocoon users list.
> 
> Andreas
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Laurent Perez" <hakimm@gmail.com>
> To: <users@cocoon.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:36 PM
> Subject: Reliable XML/XSL editors for Cocoon development ?
> 
> 
> > Hello
> > 
> > We are using Dreamweaver for our current websites design, producing
> > xhtml pages - templates - containing custom tags that once hosted on
> > our server are being replaced on the fly by database data, which is a
> > very classic setup, I guess :)
> > 
> > We'll be moving to a Cocoon based backend soon, mostly for enterprise
> > needs (i.e we need to host and access various SOAP web-services - Java
> > behind -, and exchange XML flows with our clients, which are in the
> > publishing industry, I assume Cocoon is the right choice), but I'm
> > currently trying to figure out if Cocoon can be a reliable solution to
> > manage several web sites (I do not mean "web applications" here, only
> > "sites", like small sites based on a small database) : afaik, you have
> > two popular methods to output website content, XSP versus
> > Flowscript+JX, which is fine but both are very "code-based", I mean
> > websites designers are not Java or XML experts (or both).
> > 
> > My problem is that our designers - they did spend several days
> > evaluating Cocoon - are afraid to move from our current DW+PHP
> > backend, because they think the whole "sitemap > pattern hit > xsp or
> > flowscript + jx > transformer > result" is just too obscure and
> > difficult to dig into, ie when editing a website you have to remember
> > the whole sitemap schema, especially when using aggregates. I also
> > don't understand the right choice between having a mega-huge xsl sheet
> > able to transform every page on our site based on call-templates or
> > "one xsl per page transformation" path. Plus they told me XSP was
> > similar to our PHP approach but was an obsolete (?) framework, and
> > Flowscripts look nice but require a huge Java knowledge. What I am
> > looking for is an editor being able to handle Cocoon-based websites :
> > for example, something being able to traverse a sitemap, find all
> > matching patterns, build a tree of patterns, output the resulting xml
> > flows (from xsp or jx sources), and visually edit elements of the xsl
> > sheet. Dreamweaver has no clue about XML/XSL editing, XMLSpy has no
> > clue about visual editing, Eclipse has never been a web editor, and
> > Cocoon Wiki is dry on visual editors reviews.
> > 
> > What are you guys using when dealing with 'pure' website design and
> > management under Cocoon ? Thanks for any input :)
> > 
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