Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public-internal@cust-asf2.ponee.io Received: from cust-asf.ponee.io (cust-asf.ponee.io [163.172.22.183]) by cust-asf2.ponee.io (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4F07200C36 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:34:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) id A070A160B79; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:34:55 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by cust-asf.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id C526D160B69 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:34:54 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 82457 invoked by uid 500); 10 Mar 2017 14:34:54 -0000 Mailing-List: contact labs-help@labs.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: labs@labs.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list labs@labs.apache.org Received: (qmail 82444 invoked by uid 99); 10 Mar 2017 14:34:53 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:34:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 3454CC0912 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:34:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.103 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd4-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sharp.fm Received: from mx1-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oz5PNmx1fZFX for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from chandler.sharp.fm (chandler.sharp.fm [80.168.143.3]) by mx1-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTP id B5F3D5F3F0 for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:34:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.220.128] (unknown [192.168.220.128]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: minfrin@sharp.fm) by chandler.sharp.fm (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C7B462F4B for ; Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:25:32 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 chandler.sharp.fm 5C7B462F4B DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sharp.fm; s=default; t=1489155932; bh=ffEFNOU4hTTc4P3DX5Z5MMXa+qJmXF9P4LIIsQsa/7c=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From; b=uY+gPH3p6sM2AN0Ju4E4zLRWaRjF4dPLBOK7WuleZ/ldIIByrXs1cObr91U1LxvFW MSK0cziRUjmvSMwMYEUylu23sQPP80Bn5/ZZzjWsHJL4IJvF86jVZW38As2iwEPYLA FCpZ2RRGPgpzkzun+M2uYc7HsomBhORLfUZrNYFg= From: Graham Leggett Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AE368504-0552-4906-8670-5B56C57D8588"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) Subject: Re: Releases Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:34:44 +0200 References: <37E0D528-8E45-4503-8ABC-AD739F8E5387@gmail.com> <31CC079F-09D6-4B10-A663-FF219E6975E0@sharp.fm> <47dc9229-42d1-9352-0963-816987c2ba22@gmail.com> To: labs@labs.apache.org In-Reply-To: <47dc9229-42d1-9352-0963-816987c2ba22@gmail.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) archived-at: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 14:34:55 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_AE368504-0552-4906-8670-5B56C57D8588 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 10 Mar 2017, at 3:48 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: >> I think the purpose of Labs should be this: >>=20 >> =E2=80=9CLabs is the place where you develop software with the goal = of introducing that software to the Apache Incubator=E2=80=9D. > So you *really* believe that an labs being a incubator-incubator or = pre-incubator will provide enough value to attract committers to start = here instead of github? It depends on whether people want to be an Apache project or not. > Isn't it exactly what labs are about today? Labs didn't attract many = projects in the past years, what makes us think that they will in the = future? If Labs positions itself properly and explains how it fits into the = overall Apache picture, I don=E2=80=99t see why this wouldn=E2=80=99t be = a problem. When people demand releases out of Labs, it means they don=E2=80=99t yet = understand how Apache works, or what Apache is supposed to do for them. = In cases like this is the proposed project a fit for the ASF? >> The point at which you enter the Apache Incubator is the point at = which you want to make your first release. >>=20 >> This discussion should really happen in collaboration with the = incubator folks. Ideally Labs and the Incubator should work closely = together, or the Labs project should even be a subproject of the = incubator. > My understanding is that projects are meant to graduate out of the = incubator. This proposal implies that labs@ are not meant to graduate, = right? Not following the logic, can you explain again? 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