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From Achim Nierbeck <bcanh...@googlemail.com>
Subject Re: felix.fileinstall.enableConfigSave = false ignored?
Date Sat, 05 Nov 2016 14:36:06 GMT
see inline :)


> Hi again (I love rainly Saturday afternoons where all geeks are at their
> keyboard ;-)),
>

hehe .. yes :-)


>
> > I tried to use felix.cm.dir to point CM to a writable directory.
> > if you don't change anything on this property, it's the default bundle
> cache directory.
>
> So you are saying setting felix.cm.dir should have some effect? I didn’t
> see any. Pointing it to some directory, nothing was written to it. I
> thought to have understood from JB that the only config files written in
> Karaf are the ones from ConfigRepository (which obviously does not care
> about felix.cm.dir)?
>

 ... not exactly. Let me try to rephrase that :-)

the felix.cm.dir is for ConfigurationAdmin service, if not set it's
something like

data/cache/0815/<dunno-the-name>/

directory. The crucial part it's part of the cache, if not configured
otherwise.

Now, in regards of how ConfigurationAdminService and Felix FileInstall play
along.
If FileInstall is configured to look for *.cfg files in a certain
directory. The description of that is found here:
http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_files

In that case FileInstall will use my.own.service.pid.is.here.cfg file as
configuration to be sent over to ConfigAdminService.
So FileInstall just reads this cfg file, interpretes the name of it as PID
for the service and sends the properties over to ConfigAdminService so that
one can do what ever is needed, usually re-configure some service.
This is not bound to the felix.xm.dir :)


>
> >  if the configuration does contain a flag for "persisting" the
> configuraiton. This is a combination of FelixFileInstall with ConfigAdmin
> service.
>
> Do you have a concrete example of what setting I need to change to prevent
> this flag being added to configurations?
>

that is

felix.fileinstall.filename

if you want to find out if it is set for a certain configuration you can
look at the config know to ConfigurationAdmin service with the config:*
commands. Like propery-list etc.



>
> > If you want to keep your own configuration separate and "not-persistent
> to Disk", use the <config> - part of a feature to
> > define the configuration.
>
>
> It is not „my own“ configuration that I want to keep separate, it is the
> user’s configuration that is done through directly accessing ConfigAdmin
> (through UIs, console, etc.) that I want to keep separate from the „static“
> configuration of the Karaf-based product.
>
>
if you don't have the property felix.fileinstall.filename in the
configuration, it shouldn't be persisted to the etc folder.
If you see a different behavior, I'd call it a bug. :-)


> Regards,
> Kai
>
>
> > On 5 Nov 2016, at 13:20, Achim Nierbeck [via Karaf] <
> ml-node+s922171n4048580h80@n3.nabble.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > > Configuration Admin service does have an internal storage, that one is
> the ConfigRepository
> >
> > CM is from Felix, CR from Karaf - and it does not implement any
> interface from Felix. So how does CR become an internal storage of Felix CM?
> >
> > > I doubt you can make this one read-only as it's internal
> >
> > I don’t want to make this read-only, I tried to use felix.cm.dir to
> point CM to a writable directory.
> >
> > if you don't change anything on this property, it's the default bundle
> cache directory.
> >
> >
> > > Make etc folder read-only that is possible
> >
> > How? I so far cannot see a possibility as CR seems to always write new
> configs in there.
> >
> >
> > Only as, JB already noted, if the configuration does contain a flag for
> "persisting" the configuraiton. This is a combination of FelixFileInstall
> with ConfigAdmin service.
> >
> > > Use a different folder then $KARAF_HOME/etc
> >
> > This seems to be the only possible workaround for me right now, but I
> actually wanted to avoid poving the Karaf *.properties files as well to a
> writable folder and rather wanted to keep it „internal“ to my Karaf
> distribution (so that users do not even think about touching them).
> >
> >
> > I've got to correct myself it's the KARAF_ETC property (
> http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/#_files <http://karaf.apache.org/
> manual/latest/#_files>)
> > If you want to keep your own configuration separate and "not-persistent
> to Disk", use the <config> - part of a feature to
> > define the configuration. As long as no configuration file is "attached"
> to that configuration it'll never be persisted to the etc folder.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kai
> >
> > > On 5 Nov 2016, at 12:12, Achim Nierbeck [via Karaf] <[hidden email]
> <x-msg://64/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048580&i=0>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Kai,
> > >
> > > just re-read your first question.
> > > I'm not sure if I got all questions right so let me try to explain
> what I got :)
> > >
> > > 1) Configuration Admin service does have an internal storage, that one
> is the ConfigRepository, I doubt you can make this one read-only as it's
> internal
> > > 2) File-Install and CA are connected only by the property JB gave the
> description to, but the FileInstall part isn't part of ConfigRepository
> > > 3) Make etc folder read-only that is possible
> > > 4) have different etc folders, that is possible, part of FileInstall
> configuration.
> > > 5) Use sub-folders of etc for your own configs, possible.
> > > 6) Use a different folder then $KARAF_HOME/etc, it's possible just
> need to configure it via the start script or set-env.sh
> > >
> > >
> > > regards, Achim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2016-11-05 11:29 GMT+01:00 Kai Kreuzer <[hidden email]
> <x-msg://62/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048578&i=0>>:
> > > How, can you elaborate on this? My goal is to have etc read-only
> (obviously including its sub-folders) and karaf.etc is currently hard-coded
> as the folder to store the configs.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Kai
> > >
> > > > On 5 Nov 2016, at 11:09, Achim Nierbeck [via Karaf] <[hidden email]
> <x-msg://62/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4048578&i=1>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You can use subfolders for a deportation of concern.
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Achim
> > > >
> > > > Am Samstag, 5. November 2016 schrieb Kai Kreuzer :
> > > > Hi JB,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the insights.
> > > >
> > > > I think what is not yet clear to me is how the ConfigRepository and
> the Felix ConfigurationAdmin interoperate.
> > > > If I am not mistaken, Karaf uses the Felix ConfigurationAdmin
> implementation. From the docs of Felix CM, I see that it persists the
> configurations (i.e. does NOT only hold it in memory) and its location can
> be configured by the felix.cm.dir property. Is this whole mechanism
> disabled in Karaf and the ConfigRepository actually intercepts those calls?
> > > >
> > > > > I propose to introduce a user property to let you define the
> storage location or disable it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think this would solve my issue - it would enable users to use
> different folders for reading configs through fileinstall and managing the
> overall ConfigAdmin settings in a different place.
> > > >
> > > > Probably it would suffice to not hardcode
> System.getProperty("karaf.etc“) in ConfigRepository, but come up with a
> new property here, right?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Kai
> > > >
> > > > > On 5 Nov 2016, at 10:30, jbonofre [via Karaf] <<a
> href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#[hidden email]
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> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > let me explain a bit.
> > > > >
> > > > > When you create a config using ConfigAdmin (using the ConfigAdmin
> > > > > service), it doesn't create a file (it's in "memory"). In that
> > > > > situation, if any change is not persisted to a cfg file.
> > > > > On the other hand, if you create a cfg file in Karaf etc folder,
> then
> > > > > the corresponding ConfigAdmin configuration is created and
> implicitely
> > > > > add a felix.fileinstall.filename property. Then, any change to the
> > > > > configuration is flush back to the cfg file.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, in Karaf, you have a feature that automatically create the
> > > > > corresponding cfg file when you create a configuration. And after
> that,
> > > > > we are on the "normal" behavior.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Karaf documentation is correct: when you have the
> > > > > felix.fileinstall.filename property in a ConfigAdmin
> configuration, if
> > > > > the enableConfigSave is true, it's flush back to cfg file, false
> doesn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > The difference is when the configuration is create and without the
> > > > > fileinstall.file property.
> > > > > In the case, you may want to disable the "auto-create" cfg file
> done by
> > > > > Karaf (ConfigRepository).
> > > > > The ConfigRepository is create (in the config feature) like this:
> > > > >
> > > > > ConfigRepository configRepository = new
> > > > > ConfigRepositoryImpl(configurationAdmin, new
> > > > > File(System.getProperty("karaf.etc")));
> > > > >
> > > > > The File is the storage, if null, Karaf doesn't do any storage.
> > > > >
> > > > > I propose to introduce a user property to let you define the
> storage
> > > > > location or disable it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > JB
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/04/2016 08:29 PM, Kai Kreuzer wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just came across the same issue. I would like to treat the
etc
> folder as
> > > > > > read-only and thus prevent Karaf from doing changes to it.
> Nonetheless, I
> > > > > > want to keep fileinstall to read configs from etc and push them
> to
> > > > > > ConfigAdmin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would have expected this to work by merely setting
> > > > > > "felix.fileinstall.enableConfigSave = false" - this is what
> the  Karaf (not
> > > > > > fileinstall!) documentation <https://karaf.apache.org/
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> > > > > > suggests.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So what can I do to achieve my goal? What does it mean to "use
a
> null
> > > > > > Storage"? What consequences does that have?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hope you can help!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Kai
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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