From dev-return-12839-archive-asf-public=cust-asf.ponee.io@karaf.apache.org Mon Apr 9 12:01:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Delivered-To: archive-asf-public@cust-asf.ponee.io Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by mx-eu-01.ponee.io (Postfix) with SMTP id 041D0180645 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 12:01:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 63926 invoked by uid 500); 9 Apr 2018 10:01:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@karaf.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@karaf.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@karaf.apache.org Received: (qmail 63915 invoked by uid 99); 9 Apr 2018 10:01:15 -0000 Received: from mail-relay.apache.org (HELO mailrelay2-lw-us.apache.org) (207.244.88.137) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 10:01:15 +0000 Received: from mail-ua0-f181.google.com (mail-ua0-f181.google.com [209.85.217.181]) by mailrelay2-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mailrelay2-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPSA id 034661D02 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 10:01:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ua0-f181.google.com with SMTP id g10so4577135ual.6 for ; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 03:01:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDGfRqjPfoCB4dhya/WTBTkLtT17TeYrl1GHPOfUAz5iBmZyn57 BBaaFemr6rDenSuetdyWI4ung3VLqiJCvRQx00o= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx49VPpQHHN4/6UdwWL1BctokqRMBRmM51h3AUcLHZk0qx6TiBGbqVIACKsgpJQhPtwRCJJDPizpd/qdoRzeyLCM= X-Received: by 10.176.66.38 with SMTP id i35mr4215750uai.151.1523268073666; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 03:01:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.206.23 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Apr 2018 03:00:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <61d08a28-4135-5881-05bf-0c82282fe40b@openobject.fr> References: <61d08a28-4135-5881-05bf-0c82282fe40b@openobject.fr> From: Guillaume Nodet Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 12:00:53 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: FYI, OSGi Features RFP To: dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114fa3b66dbe720569677cd5" --001a114fa3b66dbe720569677cd5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2018-04-09 11:42 GMT+02:00 Francois Papon : > Hi Guillaume, > > Can you explain why you think it's not a good thing for Karaf ? > Because from an OSGi pov, it's not really possible to involve the Karaf community, so if the community is not fully involved, I don't see how it could be beneficial to it. The OSGi Alliance is not an open source organization, so things are developed internally amongst the OSGi members, and you have to be an OSGi member in order to have any saying (we'll you can always raise issues but you have no saying, really). My fear is that we'll end up with a trimmed down version of what Karaf actually supports (hopefully not without incompatible things) and that we will be pressured to support it, and it may lead us to directions we may have not pursued otherwise. For example, blueprint is under specified and we have to work harder in order to add things that are outside the standard. Though, given the OSGi Alliance is somewhat abandoning blueprint, I think my next move on this area will be to get rid of the standard and just use an aries specific schema instead (enhanced, but without having to use a difference schema for the extensions). But I hope I'll be proved wrong. > > Fran=C3=A7ois > > > Le 09/04/2018 =C3=A0 13:35, Guillaume Nodet a =C3=A9crit : > > I was not in any way aware of this RFP and I'm not part of the process, > but > > this looks really inspired from Karaf Features at least. > > The author, David B. is a Karaf committer, so he may be able to comment > on > > what he has in mind. > > > > Having said that, I'm not so sure it's a good thing for Karaf, but we'l= l > > see. Hopefully things will go well this time, but I've already seen > several > > things go wrong at the OSGi EEG... > > > > Guillaume > > > > 2018-04-09 11:07 GMT+02:00 Serge Huber : > > > >> Interesting ! Is it planned to be based on Karaf Features model ? > >> > >> cheers, > >> Serge... > >> > >> Serge Huber > >> CTO & Co-Founder > >> T +41 22 361 3424 > >> 9 route des Jeunes | 1227 Acacias | Switzerland > >> jahia.com > >> SKYPE | LINKEDIN | TWITTER > >> | VCARD > >> > >> > >> > >>> JOIN OUR COMMUNITY to evaluate, get trained > and > >> to discover why Jahia is a leading User Experience Platform (UXP) for > >> Digital Transformation. > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:54 AM, Guillaume Nodet > >> wrote: > >> > >>> See https://github.com/osgi/design/blob/master/rfps/rfp- > >> 0188-Features.pdf > >>> -- > >>> ------------------------ > >>> Guillaume Nodet > >>> > > > > > > --=20 ------------------------ Guillaume Nodet --001a114fa3b66dbe720569677cd5--