Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-karaf-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-karaf-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7179319DF2 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2016 06:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 59572 invoked by uid 500); 24 Mar 2016 06:24:46 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-karaf-dev-archive@karaf.apache.org Received: (qmail 59531 invoked by uid 500); 24 Mar 2016 06:24:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@karaf.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@karaf.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@karaf.apache.org Received: (qmail 59519 invoked by uid 99); 24 Mar 2016 06:24:46 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd4-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 24 Mar 2016 06:24:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd4-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd4-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id A125DC059B for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2016 06:24:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd4-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.179 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.179 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd4-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx2-lw-eu.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd4-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.11]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wN0Jnu3ApwJU for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2016 06:24:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com (mail-wm0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx2-lw-eu.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx2-lw-eu.apache.org) with ESMTPS id BB4455F23A for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2016 06:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id p65so260456422wmp.1 for ; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:24:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=RxDK17bYu25RdaRBNjFamRic/zf7mfGU2ljFasTtHrU=; b=EaY9csDuLSp2DrWBYYuqj79VI26d6/U5R/JvXU9A3AlbiIb9DFq8KcGNp0513ZJ3KD vNE3UjvikJiK4HSlCF+Ft2vOfJew8yT+QfvxA2Hurfx32ZJviubad0VZbY3aGFUA9BT/ ItyKuCRazdUaaaLq1QjFa+kyASqaBxKEdl8SMqPeSvxsOc/uwVcqoT8E/uZSuCpIsEBX 4u9fN12Fh7mbFRoALVjkO37gHyvXWYl6AYRwEYWzFIeGRTHpkUwO1y23PNeWV672RqXt cibpPDovHP1V6EFGG1DHfX2Sy+qi4Nly6V8QEn1OQ9fStXcJc3tCDizwjV7p61kKQHwB vKew== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=RxDK17bYu25RdaRBNjFamRic/zf7mfGU2ljFasTtHrU=; b=Ol/wEbtH2DuS+tAGeAP4RseC2Q2ugICyM2CBNSr5KOqDzmAhRTqJe3HSvCSIn5bn3e W0ys3YPCRva5XwtI+qzbkG2uTaaIxC6Mos9kp/tSL/d8IT4dNbkNwyay1be5o4gTp8ED xbjDbqU3UD5ZSf9uMWRhSigRTJdK6zGnPKgm/1grfK9bxax8rsoHhNSdUBqHunQ6y0mF U79DoAg57oj1odw9XJ4xPUtRb+cmwXmkeUBlAfkjheQ4/CNAKAMBlAqzVxu3T6H1mhLN ZTBwxxlsNBTBm+pxngZhD5Poj6Jt+3J3uYLHjSsqqyW38cQN1DpVHpK6OUmLSPzC3StX LpJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKnDXaFn38f7Bb/Y/tS+XIuvWCF3GFRXSgfT5JLrSVEcavd6Yxq+z4ay3f6ZuO4vrvhj8pXExyumRIfBg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.187.71 with SMTP id fq7mr7340493wjc.97.1458800682471; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.20.201 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Mar 2016 23:24:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <56F2F7DF.1010206@nanthrax.net> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 07:24:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Introduction From: Morgan Hautman To: dev@karaf.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb03a0a7a1671052ec58080 --047d7bb03a0a7a1671052ec58080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello David, Welcome to the Karaf community! Regards, Morgan 2016-03-24 3:44 GMT+01:00 David Orme : > Hi JB et al: > > Inline. > > On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 3:09 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofr=C3=A9 > wrote: > > > to be clear: what's the purpose of your e-mail ? > > > > Thanks for asking. > > As a shop, we're pretty new to Clojure, so initially we took the path of > least resistance and deployed applications as uberjars. > > Now we're ready to grow up. :-) > > And basically I think that a dynamic language like Clojure needs a dynami= c > modular runtime in order to deliver maximum benefit. > > So while I was writing the prior email there were two categories of thing= s > in the back of my mind: > > 1) Things I really need to do to make our existing portfolio of > applications more maintainable, modular, serviceable, etc. > > 2) Features that would make the difference between getting the job done a= nd > really fulfilling the potential of putting dynamic (or dynamically > compiled) languages inside a dynamic runtime--both at development and at > runtime. > > But experience tells me that the most effective implementation of #2 will > require a community, in every sense of that word. So I wanted to see if > this particular community finds the vision I attempted to articulate > compelling and in any case to simply introduce myself since it seems > there's a good chance I might be hanging out here awhile either way. :-) > > The detailed technical responses are appreciated. Unfortunately, my > response will need to wait until tomorrow. Look forward to writing more.= .. > --047d7bb03a0a7a1671052ec58080--