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From Christian Schneider <ch...@die-schneider.net>
Subject Re: Telling whether startup is really complete
Date Thu, 09 Aug 2012 18:48:22 GMT
I mostly agree besides for the default. I think we all agree that the 
delayed start of the console is the better option for beginners while
a lot of karaf developers like the console that starts directly.

For this reason I think we should have the delayed start as default for 
two reasons:
1. We are only a handfull of developers while there are thousands of 
users and most are beginners or at least do not have a deep 
understanding of karaf.
2. The delayed start is a nice out of the box experience for people who 
start karaf for the first time. Especially the beginners will not find 
the option to turn this on easily


Am 09.08.2012 19:40, schrieb Ioannis Canellos:
> I've read a lot of interesting opinions and I'd like to share mine:
> i) The Karaf shell should start asap, unless explicitly configured. The
> enter thing is nice but should be optional imho.
> ii) Determining when Karaf is started is one thing, determining when an
> application is started is another.
> iii) A log entry that says Karaf has started sounds enough, we can
> optionally provide that info through the info command.
> iv) Different users have different needs on what started means. To cover
> all cases we could allow the user to use a configuration file that will
> contain requirements (package, service etc) and have everyone configure it
> however he wishes.

Christian Schneider

Open Source Architect
Talend Application Integration Division http://www.talend.com

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