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From: =?UTF-8?Q?Juan_Pablo_Santos_Rodr=C3=ADguez?= <juanpablo.santos@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:34:38 +0200
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Subject: Re: Apache JSPWiki homepage template
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Hi,

ok it's done now, and the accordion idea looks really nice :-D thanks Dirk!

for the ASF branding links I went with a table on LeftMenuFooter, it
doesn't look bad, but anyone with a better idea feel free to go with it.

As for requesting the site. Currently we're waiting at INFRA-13716 to be
moved away from a ASF CMS based site to a JBake-based one. I'd prefer to
wait for this to be done before requesting anything else, in order to avoid
any confusion down the road.

My suggestion is, once this is done, we request that
http://jspwiki.apache.org/site serves our wiki, so we can put a redirect to
it from the main index.html of the JBake-based site. jspwiki-wiki.a.o would
be also retained, so any old link to our wiki isn't lost.

sounds reasonable?


br,
juan pablo

ps.: unrelated to all these things, one last question, I've noticed that
with the current template we're displaying the JSPWiki version twice, one
below LeftMenuFooter and another one below CopyrightNotice, would it make
sense to only display one of them (f.ex., the latter)?

On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodr=C3=ADguez <
juanpablo.santos@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Dirk,
>
> I like very much the accordion idea! I'll play with it and come back here
> when finished.
>
>
> cheers,
> jp
>
> On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 8:33 AM, Dirk Frederickx <
> dirk.frederickx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Pablo,
>>
>>
>> - left menu links:
>>    You could use %%accordion for the different sections in the left-menu=
.
>> This will only make the User section fully expanded.
>>    The other sections  can then be opened with a click.
>>
>>    To keep the markup simple & readable,  you can use ordinary list
>> bullets
>> for the different links;  like so:
>>
>> %%accordion
>> !Users
>> %%list-unstyled
>> * [JSPWiki's website|http://jspwiki.apache.org]
>> * [Download JSPWiki|Downloads]
>> * [Wiki Syntax]
>> * [Getting Started]
>> * [Getting Involved]
>> * [Documentation]
>> * [Mailing lists|Mailing Lists]
>> * [ReleaseNotes|NewIn]
>> * [FAQ]
>> /%
>> !Developpers
>> ....
>> /%
>>
>>
>> - apache branding:
>>   LeftMenuFooter would probably be the best place to add this info.
>>   We should avoid putting such info in the template jsp's,  cause that
>> would make it less easy to change by a user/admin of a JSPWiki site.
>>
>>
>> dirk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodr=C3=ADguez <
>> juanpablo.santos@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > finally, just've finished migrating the content from the site to
>> > jspwiki-wiki.a.o. There are a couple of things pending, though:
>> >
>> > - left menu links: I'd like to retain the structure of jspwiki.a.o, bu=
t
>> > that would imply losing some actual links on jspwiki-wiki.a.o's LeftMe=
nu
>> > page. Also, with LeftMenuFooter inserting a couple of plugins, it woul=
d
>> > also mean that the left menu would normally *not* fit on screen..
>> thoughts
>> > on how to solve? perhaps with a style to make links smaller? or perhap=
s
>> > reorganize them?
>> >
>> > - ASF links: jspwiki.a.o has some links on the top right corner and at
>> the
>> > end of the left menu which have to be there to comply with Apache
>> Branding
>> > guidelines (they must exist and be prominently visible, that is, not a=
t
>> the
>> > bottom of the page). Thoughts on how to place them? would a slightly
>> > customized template be enough?
>> >
>> >
>> > thanks + br,
>> > juan pablo
>> >
>> > ps: I'm a couple of days late on presenting this quarter's board repor=
t,
>> > most probably will came up with a draft tomorrow morning, and would
>> like to
>> > send it the day after at most..
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:06 PM, Juan Pablo Santos Rodr=C3=ADguez <
>> > juanpablo.santos@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Dave,
>> > >
>> > > (apologies on the delayed response)
>> > >
>> > > Don't know if it is too late, but I'd like to ask for a couple of
>> > changes:
>> > > - first, make the old site so it could still be accesible through,
>> f.ex.,
>> > > http://jspwiki.apache.org/old
>> > >   just in case there's a (wiki) VM failure, we could point to the ol=
d
>> > one.
>> > > As a bonus, the javadocs
>> > >   would still be accesible through http://jspwiki.apache.org/apidocs
>> > > - second, make the wiki available through both
>> http://jspwiki.apache.org
>> > > and http://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org.
>> > >   Make the first the "official" link for wiki docs, keep the second
>> so we
>> > > don't have dead links
>> > >   (I prefer jspwiki.a.o over jspwiki-wiki.a.o, which seems redundant
>> to
>> > > me). In case this combination
>> > >   is not feasable, keep the wiki under http://jspwiki.apache.org/doc=
s
>> > (or
>> > > whatever), and place a redirect
>> > >   under jspwiki.a.o/index.html to http://jspwiki.apache.org/docs so
>> it
>> > > "feels" as the project's home page.
>> > >
>> > > sounds reasonable? WDYT?
>> > >
>> > > The first change and the redirect part on the second are very easily
>> > > doable under the current CMS. As for
>> > > other part, I know I volunteered for it, but hadn't made any progres=
s
>> > yet,
>> > > shame on me :-/ In any case, please
>> > > feel free to start migrating the content! Any progress in there will
>> be
>> > > better than my current no-progress at it.
>> > >
>> > > Last, in case all of the above sounds reasonable, I'll request a new
>> git
>> > > repo to hold the site in there, actually
>> > > it's still placed on svn..
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > best regards + thanks for bringing this up!
>> > > juan pablo
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 2:31 AM, Dave Koelmeyer <
>> > > dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Hi All,
>> > >>
>> > >> So it sounds like we can go ahead with requesting a redirect from
>> infra
>> > >> to point jspwiki.apache.org at jspwiki-wiki.apache.org? Happy to ge=
t
>> > >> this underway and take on migrating any content from the old site. =
As
>> > >> far as I'm aware, the only outstanding consideration is the
>> javadocs=E2=80=94I
>> > >> don't know enough about this to suggest where to host these, so
>> perhaps
>> > >> someone can look into this?
>> > >>
>> > >> Cheers,
>> > >> Dave
>> > >>
>> > >> On 13/08/16 00:51, Dirk Frederickx wrote:
>> > >> > The HADDOCK template now shows the Apache brand ,  while previous=
ly
>> > the
>> > >> > default JSPWiki template didn't.
>> > >> > So maybe now a single JPSWiki homepage would be possible
>> > >> >
>> > >> > dirk
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Harry Metske <
>> harry.metske@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > >> > wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> I remember we have had a sort of discussion with the infra team
>> about
>> > >> this.
>> > >> >> The end of the discussion was that we came to what we have now,
>> but I
>> > >> >> cannot remember anymore what the exact reasons were.
>> > >> >> We could ask them what their opinion is now...
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I am not so worried about having some downtime every now and the=
n,
>> > >> it's not
>> > >> >> that critical.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> regards,
>> > >> >> Harry
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On 12 August 2016 at 13:59, Juan Pablo Santos Rodr=C3=ADguez <
>> > >> >> juanpablo.santos@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>> Hi,
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> (a little bit late, but) in that case wouldn't it be easier to
>> ask
>> > >> infra
>> > >> >> to
>> > >> >>> point jspwiki.apache.org directly to the wiki? There are some
>> brand
>> > >> >>> requirements we should follow (most of the upper right links, t=
he
>> > >> Apache
>> > >> >>> section on the left, and the footer, if I recall correctly) and
>> we
>> > >> would
>> > >> >>> have to find a place for javadocs, but this shouldn't be a
>> > >> showstopper.
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> My only concern with this is having the wiki always up, the CMS
>> is
>> > >> >> clunkier
>> > >> >>> to update, but it is always up, whereas the wiki VM has had a f=
ew
>> > >> small
>> > >> >>> (=3Dhours) hiccups. But other than that, it's how jspwiki.org
>> was/is
>> > >> >> setup,
>> > >> >>> so I'm not opposed to switch to a full wiki homepage.
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> thoughts?
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> best regards,
>> > >> >>> juan pablo
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 1:28 PM, Harry Metske <
>> > harry.metske@gmail.com>
>> > >> >>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>> my suggestion was the latter (redirect from jspwiki.apache.org
>> to
>> > >> >>>> jspwiki-wiki.apache.org)
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> On 5 August 2016 at 14:17, Juan Pablo Santos Rodr=C3=ADguez <
>> > >> >>>> juanpablo.santos@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>> Hi Harry,
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> technical issues aside, I'm not sure I'm following what you'r=
e
>> > >> >>> proposing,
>> > >> >>>>> if replacing jspwiki.a.o with our wiki, or if having somethin=
g
>> > like
>> > >> >>>>> jspwiki.a.o/wiki redirecting to the wiki?
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> for the former I think it would be easier to ask infra to
>> directly
>> > >> >>> point
>> > >> >>>>> jspwiki.a.o to the wiki vm.
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> for the latter I think I'd be able to make a quick commit thi=
s
>> > >> >>>>> afternoon/weekend, it's very simimlar to what we're currently
>> > doing
>> > >> >>> with
>> > >> >>>>> the javadocs; it's matter of adding an entry to
>> > >> >>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jspwiki/site/trunk/
>> > >> >>> content/extpaths.txt
>> > >> >>>>> and then commiting the desired directory+file to
>> > >> >>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websites/production/
>> > >> >>> jspwiki/content/
>> > >> >>>> ..
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> br,
>> > >> >>>>> juan pablo
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Harry Metske <
>> > >> harry.metske@gmail.com
>> > >> >>>>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> can't we just make that page empty and only put some html/js
>> over
>> > >> >>> there
>> > >> >>>>>> that immediately redirects to the wiki home page?
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> On 5 August 2016 at 11:28, Juan Pablo Santos Rodr=C3=ADguez =
<
>> > >> >>>>>> juanpablo.santos@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> Hi Dave,
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> IMO there isn't any showstopper, only that generating the
>> site
>> > >> >>>> locally
>> > >> >>>>>> is a
>> > >> >>>>>>> bit complicated. The site, with instructions on how to buil=
d
>> it
>> > >> >>>>> locally,
>> > >> >>>>>> is
>> > >> >>>>>>> in SVN at https://svn.apache.org/repos/a
>> sf/jspwiki/site/trunk/
>> > >> >>> with
>> > >> >>>>> the
>> > >> >>>>>>> old
>> > >> >>>>>>> template sitting at
>> > >> >>>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jspwiki/site/trunk/templat=
e
>> s/
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> That said, as we're not updating very often the site, rathe=
r
>> > than
>> > >> >>>>>> building
>> > >> >>>>>>> locally, perhaps is easier to use the CMS bookmarklet and
>> keep
>> > >> >>>> pushing
>> > >> >>>>>>> changes to staging area until the new template is ready to
>> go.
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> Regarding the different url for jspwiki-wiki.a.o, don't
>> remember
>> > >> >>> the
>> > >> >>>>>>> specifics but, long story short, when setting up the vm to
>> host
>> > >> >> the
>> > >> >>>>> wiki,
>> > >> >>>>>>> the Infra team found easier to set it up at the actual
>> location
>> > >> >>> and,
>> > >> >>>> as
>> > >> >>>>>> our
>> > >> >>>>>>> request took several months to complete (delays on both
>> sides),
>> > >> >> we
>> > >> >>>>> didn't
>> > >> >>>>>>> push to have the wiki inside jspwiki.a.o.
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> br,
>> > >> >>>>>>> juan pablo
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 5:31 AM, Dave Koelmeyer <
>> > >> >>>>>>> dave.koelmeyer@davekoelmeyer.co.nz> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> Hi All,
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> Quick question, the homepage for JSPWiki is currently:
>> > >> >>>>>>>> https://jspwiki.apache.org/ =E2=80=93 and as can be seen i=
t's
>> running
>> > >> >>> the
>> > >> >>>>> old
>> > >> >>>>>>>> template. Perhaps not the best first impression :) Is ther=
e
>> any
>> > >> >>>>>>>> show-stopper preventing switching this to Haddock?
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> (On a related note I'm not quite sure why there are two
>> > >> >> separate
>> > >> >>>>> sites,
>> > >> >>>>>>>> when the content of https://jspwiki-wiki.apache.org/ could
>> > >> >> just
>> > >> >>>> sit
>> > >> >>>>> in
>> > >> >>>>>>>> the same instance as https://jspwiki.apache.org/, but
>> that's
>> > >> >>> not a
>> > >> >>>>> big
>> > >> >>>>>>>> deal.)
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> > >> >>>>>>>> Dave
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> --
>> > >> >>>>>>>> Dave Koelmeyer
>> > >> >>>>>>>> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>> > >> >>>>>>>> GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Dave Koelmeyer
>> > >> http://blog.davekoelmeyer.co.nz
>> > >> GPG Key ID: 0x238BFF87
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>>
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