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From Vincent HERILIER <vheril...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Menu item ordering
Date Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:15:28 GMT
I clearly understand your points of view.

But with plugins used in my case (and average 300 testers) which bring
average 40 config elements and 90 samplers, they are mixed (with JMeter
native ones too) for complex and cross-protocol flows we would like to
simulate (average 15 protocols - new , redefined protocols or server side
part - for our needs coverage).

Reconfiguring a palette does not really solve my issue because the range of
required elements changes often or is wide each time.
Loading and using a search box often will not really a gain of time too.

That's why a protocol grouping is IMHO and in my specific use-case more
accurate and quickly usable.
I hope beiing wrong and I'm waiting for a quicker menu navigation mechanism
even it is not a submenu one ;).

Thanks for all the work you provide to improve JMeter.

Vincent

Le mar. 12 déc. 2017 à 14:29, Graham Russell <graham@ham1.co.uk> a écrit :

> I agree with Phillipe that adding more menus, and therefore steps to
> get to items you need (key presses or mouse moves) and items to read
> is not an improvement.
>
> I like the idea of a configurable palette (with some sensible
> defaults), much easier for beginners.
>
> This still requires use of the mouse, so for more advanced users, what
> do we think of introducing a "find/search"?
> Pressing ctrl+shift+a loads a pop-up search box, as you type it
> filters the list and you click/press enter on the one you want and
> it's added to the tree.
>
> On 12 December 2017 at 13:11, Philippe Mouawad
> <philippe.mouawad@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I am personally against an additional level in the popup menu as it would
> > be a loss of time.
> > If it's about reorganizing the menu order to put most popular ones on
> top,
> > why not.
> >
> > A configurable palette in the right or bottom left (now we  have dropped
> > workbench)  might be a better alternative. User could put here the
> elements
> > he uses the most.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Vincent HERILIER <vherilier@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I already proposed a PR in that way (
> >> https://github.com/apache/jmeter/pull/236) and I'm still interested in
> >> having the capability to group some elements ,per protocol class for
> >> example, to reduce the amount of different menus entries shown.
> >>
> >> Vincent
> >>
> >> Le mar. 12 déc. 2017 à 10:07, Antonio Gomes Rodrigues <ra0077@gmail.com>
> a
> >> écrit :
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > About advanced mode, some code has been written and maybe we need to
> >> remove
> >> > it and discuss again and finish it.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, it's hockey.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > For the moment I have few free time but I probably write some blog
> post
> >> > (Apache provide blog) about some features.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks to the PR
> >> >
> >> > Antonio
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2017-12-11 21:00 GMT+01:00 Graham Russell <graham@ham1.co.uk>:
> >> >
> >> > > Ah ok, I noticed something about advanced mode and wondered what it
> >> > meant,
> >> > > probably worth tidying up?
> >> > >
> >> > > I think those hotkeys should be more prominently documented, I only
> >> > > recently discovered them, or are there other shortcuts you were
> >> referring
> >> > > to?
> >> > >
> >> > > I will attempt a PR with a proof of concept in the coming week.
> >> > >
> >> > > Thanks
> >> > >
> >> > > Graham
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, 09:21 Antonio Gomes Rodrigues, <
> ra0077@gmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Sometime ago we have discuss to have an advanced mode with all
> >> options
> >> > > and
> >> > > > an basic mode with only the essentials. Unfortunately there was
no
> >> > > > consensus
> >> > > >
> >> > > > For the moment we have shortcuts
> >> > > >
> >> > > > +1 for your solution
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Antonio
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2017-12-10 19:36 GMT+01:00 Graham Russell <graham@ham1.co.uk>:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Hi all
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Currently the menus are ordered alphabetically, which is
fine
> for
> >> > > > > small menus, and better than not at all for the large ones,
> >> however I
> >> > > > > think we can do better.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > If the menu has more than 4-5 items in it I think we should
> split
> >> it
> >> > > > > up into chunks of 5-7 with the most popular (e.g. HTTP Request
> >> > > > > Sampler) at the top. I hope this would ease a bit of RSI
for
> users
> >> > and
> >> > > > > help improve the usability.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Any thoughts?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Having looked at the code it seems the menus are built by
> looking
> >> at
> >> > > > > the classes, does adding an annotation with "sort order"
and
> maybe
> >> > > > > "group" make sense or is there a better way to dictate the
> order of
> >> > > > > items in the menus?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Graham
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cordialement.
> > Philippe Mouawad.
>

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