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Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:55:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Morgan Delagrange <mdelagra@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: morgand@apache.org
Subject: Re: Licensing again.
To: Jakarta General List <general@jakarta.apache.org>
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No there are plenty of works derived from Apache
projects.  Apache code may be freely modified or
redistributed, but as per the Apache license:

  The end-user documentation included with 
  [redistributions of Apache code], if any, 
  must include the following acknowlegement: 
  "This product includes software developed by the
  Apache Software Foundation 
  (http://www.apache.org/)."  Alternately, this 
  acknowlegement may appear in the software itself, 
  if and wherever such third-party acknowlegements 
  normally appear.

The fact that Apache code has an owner (the ASF
membership) and a copyright does not exclude it from
having an open-source license.  In fact, if the code
did not have an owner, the license would be
exceedingly difficult to defend.

- Morgan

--- Timothy Halloran <thallora@GS06.ISRI.CMU.EDU>
wrote:
> Does this mean the ASF has taken away the ability
> for others to do
> derived works (including derived works that make the
> code commercial or
> GPL -- with a simple name change)?  That would mean
> the license is no
> longer open source (by OSD anyway)?
> 
> This is a strange discussion thread.
> 
> On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 12:36, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> > On 10/2/03 4:05 "Lawrence E. Rosen"
> <lrosen@rosenlaw.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >> It should be noted that Apache Software
> Foundation members
> > >> are the legal
> > >> *owners* of the software that is available
> under the Apache
> > >> Software License.  Indeed, that is one of the
> key benefits to
> > >> becoming an ASF member, as opposed to just a
> committer on one
> > >> or more projects.  It seems perfectly
> reasonable that
> > >> decisions on the license under which that
> software is
> > >> licensed should be made by the people that own
> it.
> > > 
> > > I'm curious.  What is the legal basis for this
> claim of ownership?
> > 
> > The fact that each contributor, prior access to
> our CVS repository, signs a
> > paper saying that for whatever goes in CVS, he
> assigns copyright and
> > ownership of the code to the ASF... No more no
> less than what any random
> > employee of a software company does with his
> employer...
> > 
> >     Pier
> > 
> > 
> >
>
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