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From Michael Dürig <mdue...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [jr3 microkernel] Write skew
Date Thu, 01 Dec 2011 13:32:29 GMT

On 1.12.11 13:21, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>> IIUC you want to "auto-refresh" all sessions each time observation events
>> are being delivered?
> Only those sessions to which events are being delivered, i.e. ones
> that have explicitly registered an observation listener.

Hmm I remain skeptical ;-)

>> Why do we 'obviously' need this? I understand, there will be a change from
>> the current behaviour: while today sessions can't see items anymore which
>> they get DELETE events for, in the new implementation sessions can't see
>> items yet which they get ADD events for. From that perspective the new
>> behaviour seems more flexible and complete: sessions can see deleted
>> items until they do a refresh. Afterwards they can see the added items.
> One of the few hard guarantees that we make to an observation listener
> is that when an event is received, that change has already happened.
> If the session state isn't refreshed when an even is delivered, then
> the session would essentially be seeing into the future. I guess that
> might be useful for some things like you mention, but to me that
> sounds counterintuitive and as mentioned by Felix will likely trip off
> many existing clients.

Yes I share this concerns. As I mentioned in earlier reply another 
approach we discussed some time ago is to have read only sessions which 
are always on the newest revision (i.e. see all saved changes). 
Observation listeners on such sessions would then behave as they did 
with JR2. Since the underlying Microkernel implements an MVCC approach 
such read only sessions would be very easy and cheap to implement.


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