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From: SE Song <sesong11@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:48:09 +0700
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Subject: Re: Customize UI behavior
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I'm building an business process application, we manage staff information
and request form such as Leave Request, OT, IT Form...
each form mush has at least employee info, and form detail...

Auto generate UI is very good idea, e.s it's testable too. But Management
are not developer, it's very difficult to convince them about changing
their ideas, they always ask what they want.
They always concern about look and feel at first.

I will create a repository for integrate  Apache Isis and ZK framework for
UI, If everything go well, I will use ZK for Frontend Layer and
Presentation Layer,
and Apache Isis for Business Logic, Business Model and Data Layer. I also
concern about integrating ZK VM to Isis Repository too, because ZK use
Constructor out site container,
so Inject Service maybe impossible or difficult. But I will try and post on
Github

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Dan Haywood <dan@haywood-associates.co.uk=
>
wrote:

> If the behaviour of the text field in particular is problematic, then you
> can develop and plug in a different implementation using the Wicket
> framework.  The Wicket viewer guide has details on how to do this
> (fullcalendar2, gmap3 use this API).
>
> That said...
>
> You said your pages are form heavy, and are all view models. I wonder
> therefore whether you are fighting the framework too much.  Why are you
> using view models rather than just surface entities? Why do your users ne=
ed
> so much  information on a single page - what use cases are you trying to
> support? Where is this app on the "problem solver Vs process follower"
> axis?
>
> One option for you might be to use Isis as a development environment (to
> build a good quality domain model) but then write a custom UI, eg in ZK o=
n
> top of it. Obviously this throws out one of the framework's key features,
> but you get full flexibility to do whatever. Or, you could use the Rest a=
pi
> to accomplish the same.
>
> But, I do suggest you also try to work within the constraints of the
> framework, and see what that gives you. We know of plenty of "problem
> solver" type apps that are out there that work well enough without lots o=
f
> customisations.
>
> Hth,
> Dan.
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, 12:11 SE Song, <sesong11@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I am learning about it. And another option for me is using ZK
> > framework for UI
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel / Ham
> GI-DP <
> > Joerg.Rade@kuehne-nagel.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Have you considered using the RestfulObjects interface [1] yet?
> > >
> > > -j
> > > [1] https://isis.apache.org/guides/ugvro/ugvro.html
> > >
> > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht-----
> > > Von: SE Song [mailto:sesong11@gmail.com]
> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. November 2017 11:28
> > > An: users@isis.apache.org
> > > Betreff: Re: Customize UI behavior
> > >
> > > My issue isn't just scrolling, but also behavior of Textbox. If it's
> > > possible to change it behavior from clicking and show OK Button &
> Cancel
> > > Button to use ajax to bind it to VM without bother user to click
> submit.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Stephen Cameron <
> > > steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok,  but using tabs via layout.xml is still an option.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe using a JAXB VM causes a full page reload?
> > > >
> > > > Do you have to use them?
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:13 PM, SE Song <sesong11@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> > > >
> > > > > It always scroll like this.
> > > > >
> > > > > =E2=80=8B
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 5:10 PM, SE Song <sesong11@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Sorry that I did not specified that I am using JAXB VM. It just
> > > > >> submit
> > > > to
> > > > >> VM
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Stephen Cameron <
> > > > >> steve.cameron.62@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> More details here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DMxewC5Pve5=
k
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Stephen Cameron <
> > > > >>> steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > Have you tried using tabs via the xxx.layout.xml?
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > My pages aren't more than one screen height and I've not had
> the
> > > > other
> > > > >>> > problems that you indicate, Apache Isis doesn't submit a form
> in
> > > > >>> > the
> > > > >>> sense
> > > > >>> > of an HTML <form> element, each click of OK submits the updat=
ed
> > > > >>> > value
> > > > >>> to
> > > > >>> > the database.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:36 PM, SE Song <sesong11@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >> Dear All,
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >> After presentation Apache Isis to my manager, what he doesn'=
t
> > > > >>> >> like
> > > > is
> > > > >>> UI,
> > > > >>> >> Because the application which I am developing is HR System,
> > > > >>> >> which
> > > > has
> > > > >>> a
> > > > >>> >> lot
> > > > >>> >> of form, so UX is very important for us.
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >> After Using Apache Isis for a while I have some problem on U=
I
> > > > >>> behavior as
> > > > >>> >> bellow:
> > > > >>> >> 1. When I click on the control it always scroll to top, so i=
f
> > > > >>> >> my
> > > > from
> > > > >>> has
> > > > >>> >> 2x of screen high, user will very difficult for input data.
> > > > >>> >> 2. When user click on a textbox it always show "OK" and
> "Cancel"
> > > > >>> button,
> > > > >>> >> OK
> > > > >>> >> button use submit, this make my form refresh every time I
> press
> > > > Enter
> > > > >>> or
> > > > >>> >> Click "OK", so it always scroll back to top and destroy
> another
> > > > field
> > > > >>> that
> > > > >>> >> I did not submit.
> > > > >>> >> 3. I want to change behavior of textbox from Clicking Submit
> to
> > > > >>> >> use
> > > > >>> jQuery
> > > > >>> >> (ZK like) to send data to my VM when user Lost Focus on
> textbox.
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >> Please help to guide me what should I do/learn to solve this
> > > > problem.
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >> Another option for me is to integrate Apache Isis with ZK
> > > Framework.
> > > > >>> ZK
> > > > >>> >> framework for implement presentation layer and fronted layer=
.
> > > > >>> >> Is
> > > > this
> > > > >>> >> option possible?
> > > > >>> >>
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
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