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From Stephen Cameron <steve.cameron...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Customize UI behavior
Date Mon, 27 Nov 2017 04:53:12 GMT
You could develop a custom viewer, it has been done:


https://github.com/apache/isis/blob/master/adocs/documentation/src/main/asciidoc/pages/powered-by/_powered-by_gesconsultor-grc.adoc

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 2:47 PM, SE Song <sesong11@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank for your advice,
>
> First, I though that integrating Isis with ZK is an easy task, but I spend
> many days without any task done. Now I don't know what should I do next,
> last option is using restful object, but I hate writing UI (Javascript +
> HTML + CSS), it's a lot of time consuming.
>
> I have started develop without any knowledge base even Java EE(JDO, CDI,
> ORM,...), So I decide to learn Apache Wicket and Java EE, before I start
> Apache Isis again.
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Stephen Cameron <
> steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Regarding ZK 'Presentation Layer' seems this is the ability to use ZK
> > components in a template context, eg JSP, Struts. That is doing things
> at a
> > lower level, but interesting to ask if such a lower level exists in
> Apache
> > Isis.
> >
> > I see there is a Freemaker templates module in the Incode Platform. I've
> no
> > experience with it but maybe it's worth checking out?
> >
> > I've a perceived need that is related, essentially a presentation layer
> on
> > top of my domain model, which is detached forms. This is a common
> business
> > need that Apache Isis, I feel, shouldn't necessarily cater for, but which
> > could perhaps be integrated via the functionality in its meta-model. I
> say
> > this because of a perceived similarity in how the meta-model is used to
> > bind the Java domain object model to the UI and a similar thing in the
> W3C
> > XForms standard. In the first case via name conventions, in the later
> more
> > like a spreadsheet.
> >
> > Some forms can be very complex, but are a process follower idiom rather
> > than a problem solver one. Ultimately the data collected in a form has to
> > find a use, maybe this will be simply for analysis via queries on a
> > database,      However, to have the two idioms coexisting when necessary,
> > seems nice to have.
> >
> > I had a potential project recently that was more of a content management
> > system need, lots safety documents, and of forms for people to fill in to
> > prove they had read and understood. Apache Isis didn't seem that good a
> fit
> > in total, but for parts it was  very good, the management parts. Using
> the
> > security module, via the meta-model, was very powerful in getting a MVP
> > done quickly.
> >
> > Thinking outside the box in regards to a presentation layer, I am a fan
> of
> > XQuery, which though originating to manipulate XML documents, is designed
> > around a more general meta-model (of sequences) essentially. So the data
> > source can be anything. This flexibility led to a platform called XRX
> > (XForms, REST, XQuery) that sadly went nowhere.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:43 PM, SE Song <sesong11@gmail.com
> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >
> > > Moving off isn't my option, because I love Apache Isis anyways. Only
> one
> > > thing that I doesn't like is UI, that's why I try to use ZK as my UI. I
> > > know I'm going to throws out one of the framework's key features, but
> > > Apache
> > > Isis isn't just a tool for generate UI, there are a lot more features.
> > >
> > > ZK isn't just a viewer or Frontend Layer, it also has Presentation
> Layer,
> > > On my previous project I use ZK & JDBC using Constructor. while Apache
> > Isis
> > > using Dependency Injection @Inject, But I don't have a lot of
> experience
> > on
> > > this. I also doubt what I'm trying to do the wrong ways. But If this
> > > possible, I will be able to build a greate development environment. So
> I
> > > try all options that maybe possible for me and meet my requirement.
> > >
> > > It also has advantage for a Framework which be able to integrate with
> > other
> > > Framework for multiple options.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Stephen Cameron <
> > > steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','steve.cameron.62@gmail.com');>
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I seriously doubt this can work in the way you imagine.
> > > >
> > > > You'd have to write a whole new ZK based viewer (like the standard
> > Wicket
> > > > one).  See the org.apache.isis.viewer.wicket.* packages (4 jars) in
> > the
> > > > Maven dependencies of the webapp.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe Dan is suggesting to move off Apache Isis once you are happy
> with
> > > > your domain model, so Apache Isis is only used for prototyping?
> > > >
> > > > Steve
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:57 PM, SE Song <sesong11@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I already create a repository here https://github.com/sesong11/
> > > > > ApacheIsisZK
> > > > > and create ZK VM here
> > > > > https://github.com/sesong11/ApacheIsisZK/blob/master/
> > > > webapp/src/main/java/
> > > > > domainapp/webapp/zkvm/SampleVM.java
> > > > >
> > > > > Now another issue on integrating ZK, I can't Inject my repository
> on
> > ZK
> > > > VM,
> > > > > Everything ok, excepted Injecting Service, it always null.
> > > > >
> > > > > The problem is ZK initiate VM using Contructor, @PostConstruct on
> ZK
> > VM
> > > > has
> > > > > never been called. Can you please help me how to Inject service
> > outside
> > > > of
> > > > > container, or guide me another possible ways
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:48 AM, SE Song <sesong11@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm building an business process application, we manage staff
> > > > information
> > > > > > and request form such as Leave Request, OT, IT Form...
> > > > > > each form mush has at least employee info, and form detail...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Auto generate UI is very good idea, e.s it's testable too. But
> > > > Management
> > > > > > are not developer, it's very difficult to convince them about
> > > changing
> > > > > > their ideas, they always ask what they want.
> > > > > > They always concern about look and feel at first.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I will create a repository for integrate  Apache Isis and ZK
> > > framework
> > > > > for
> > > > > > UI, If everything go well, I will use ZK for Frontend Layer
and
> > > > > > Presentation Layer,
> > > > > > and Apache Isis for Business Logic, Business Model and Data
> Layer.
> > I
> > > > also
> > > > > > concern about integrating ZK VM to Isis Repository too, because
> ZK
> > > use
> > > > > > Constructor out site container,
> > > > > > so Inject Service maybe impossible or difficult. But I will
try
> and
> > > > post
> > > > > > on Github
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Dan Haywood <
> > > > > > dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan@haywood-associates.co.uk');>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> If the behaviour of the text field in particular is problematic,
> > > then
> > > > > you
> > > > > >> can develop and plug in a different implementation using
the
> > Wicket
> > > > > >> framework.  The Wicket viewer guide has details on how to
do
> this
> > > > > >> (fullcalendar2, gmap3 use this API).
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> That said...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> You said your pages are form heavy, and are all view models.
I
> > > wonder
> > > > > >> therefore whether you are fighting the framework too much.
 Why
> > are
> > > > you
> > > > > >> using view models rather than just surface entities? Why
do your
> > > users
> > > > > >> need
> > > > > >> so much  information on a single page - what use cases are
you
> > > trying
> > > > to
> > > > > >> support? Where is this app on the "problem solver Vs process
> > > follower"
> > > > > >> axis?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> One option for you might be to use Isis as a development
> > environment
> > > > (to
> > > > > >> build a good quality domain model) but then write a custom
UI,
> eg
> > in
> > > > ZK
> > > > > on
> > > > > >> top of it. Obviously this throws out one of the framework's
key
> > > > > features,
> > > > > >> but you get full flexibility to do whatever. Or, you could
use
> the
> > > > Rest
> > > > > >> api
> > > > > >> to accomplish the same.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> But, I do suggest you also try to work within the constraints
of
> > the
> > > > > >> framework, and see what that gives you. We know of plenty
of
> > > "problem
> > > > > >> solver" type apps that are out there that work well enough
> without
> > > > lots
> > > > > of
> > > > > >> customisations.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hth,
> > > > > >> Dan.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, 12:11 SE Song, <sesong11@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Yes, I am learning about it. And another option for
me is
> using
> > ZK
> > > > > >> > framework for UI
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne
+ Nagel
> /
> > > Ham
> > > > > >> GI-DP <
> > > > > >> > Joerg.Rade@kuehne-nagel.com
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Joerg.Rade@kuehne-nagel.com');>> wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > Have you considered using the RestfulObjects interface
[1]
> > yet?
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > -j
> > > > > >> > > [1] https://isis.apache.org/guides/ugvro/ugvro.html
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > > >> > > Von: SE Song [mailto:sesong11@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>]
> > > > > >> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. November 2017 11:28
> > > > > >> > > An: users@isis.apache.org
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','users@isis.apache.org');>
> > > > > >> > > Betreff: Re: Customize UI behavior
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > My issue isn't just scrolling, but also behavior
of Textbox.
> > If
> > > > it's
> > > > > >> > > possible to change it behavior from clicking and
show OK
> > Button
> > > &
> > > > > >> Cancel
> > > > > >> > > Button to use ajax to bind it to VM without bother
user to
> > click
> > > > > >> submit.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Stephen Cameron
<
> > > > > >> > > steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','steve.cameron.62@gmail.com');>
> > > > > >> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > > Ok,  but using tabs via layout.xml is still
an option.
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > Maybe using a JAXB VM causes a full page
reload?
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > Do you have to use them?
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:13 PM, SE Song
<
> > sesong11@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > It always scroll like this.
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > ​
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 5:10 PM, SE
Song <
> > > sesong11@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com
> ');>>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > >> Sorry that I did not specified that
I am using JAXB VM.
> > It
> > > > just
> > > > > >> > > > >> submit
> > > > > >> > > > to
> > > > > >> > > > >> VM
> > > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 4:48 PM,
Stephen Cameron <
> > > > > >> > > > >> steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','steve.cameron.62@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > >>
> > > > > >> > > > >>> More details here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> > > > > v=MxewC5Pve5k
> > > > > >> > > > >>>
> > > > > >> > > > >>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:46
PM, Stephen Cameron <
> > > > > >> > > > >>> steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','steve.cameron.62@gmail.com');>
> > > > > >> > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > >>>
> > > > > >> > > > >>> > Have you tried using tabs
via the xxx.layout.xml?
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > > > >> > > > >>> > My pages aren't more than
one screen height and I've
> > not
> > > > had
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> > > > other
> > > > > >> > > > >>> > problems that you indicate,
Apache Isis doesn't
> > submit a
> > > > > form
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >> > > > >>> > the
> > > > > >> > > > >>> sense
> > > > > >> > > > >>> > of an HTML <form>
element, each click of OK submits
> > the
> > > > > >> updated
> > > > > >> > > > >>> > value
> > > > > >> > > > >>> to
> > > > > >> > > > >>> > the database.
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > > > >> > > > >>> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at
8:36 PM, SE Song <
> > > > > sesong11@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>>
> > > > > >> > > wrote:
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> Dear All,
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >>
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> After presentation
Apache Isis to my manager, what
> he
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> like
> > > > > >> > > > is
> > > > > >> > > > >>> UI,
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> Because the application
which I am developing is HR
> > > > System,
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> which
> > > > > >> > > > has
> > > > > >> > > > >>> a
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> lot
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> of form, so UX is very
important for us.
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >>
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> After Using Apache
Isis for a while I have some
> > problem
> > > > on
> > > > > UI
> > > > > >> > > > >>> behavior as
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> bellow:
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> 1. When I click on
the control it always scroll to
> > top,
> > > > so
> > > > > if
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> my
> > > > > >> > > > from
> > > > > >> > > > >>> has
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> 2x of screen high,
user will very difficult for
> input
> > > > data.
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> 2. When user click
on a textbox it always show "OK"
> > and
> > > > > >> "Cancel"
> > > > > >> > > > >>> button,
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> OK
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> button use submit,
this make my form refresh every
> > > time I
> > > > > >> press
> > > > > >> > > > Enter
> > > > > >> > > > >>> or
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> Click "OK", so it always
scroll back to top and
> > destroy
> > > > > >> another
> > > > > >> > > > field
> > > > > >> > > > >>> that
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> I did not submit.
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> 3. I want to change
behavior of textbox from
> Clicking
> > > > > Submit
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> use
> > > > > >> > > > >>> jQuery
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> (ZK like) to send data
to my VM when user Lost
> Focus
> > on
> > > > > >> textbox.
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >>
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> Please help to guide
me what should I do/learn to
> > solve
> > > > > this
> > > > > >> > > > problem.
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >>
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >>
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> Another option for
me is to integrate Apache Isis
> > with
> > > ZK
> > > > > >> > > Framework.
> > > > > >> > > > >>> ZK
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> framework for implement
presentation layer and
> > fronted
> > > > > layer.
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> Is
> > > > > >> > > > this
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >> option possible?
> > > > > >> > > > >>> >>
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