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From Stephen Cameron <steve.cameron...@gmail.com>
Subject Customize UI behavior
Date Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:14:09 GMT
Regarding ZK 'Presentation Layer' seems this is the ability to use ZK
components in a template context, eg JSP, Struts. That is doing things at a
lower level, but interesting to ask if such a lower level exists in Apache
Isis.

I see there is a Freemaker templates module in the Incode Platform. I've no
experience with it but maybe it's worth checking out?

I've a perceived need that is related, essentially a presentation layer on
top of my domain model, which is detached forms. This is a common business
need that Apache Isis, I feel, shouldn't necessarily cater for, but which
could perhaps be integrated via the functionality in its meta-model. I say
this because of a perceived similarity in how the meta-model is used to
bind the Java domain object model to the UI and a similar thing in the W3C
XForms standard. In the first case via name conventions, in the later more
like a spreadsheet.

Some forms can be very complex, but are a process follower idiom rather
than a problem solver one. Ultimately the data collected in a form has to
find a use, maybe this will be simply for analysis via queries on a
database,      However, to have the two idioms coexisting when necessary,
seems nice to have.

I had a potential project recently that was more of a content management
system need, lots safety documents, and of forms for people to fill in to
prove they had read and understood. Apache Isis didn't seem that good a fit
in total, but for parts it was  very good, the management parts. Using the
security module, via the meta-model, was very powerful in getting a MVP
done quickly.

Thinking outside the box in regards to a presentation layer, I am a fan of
XQuery, which though originating to manipulate XML documents, is designed
around a more general meta-model (of sequences) essentially. So the data
source can be anything. This flexibility led to a platform called XRX
(XForms, REST, XQuery) that sadly went nowhere.

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:43 PM, SE Song <sesong11@gmail.com
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>> wrote:

> Moving off isn't my option, because I love Apache Isis anyways. Only one
> thing that I doesn't like is UI, that's why I try to use ZK as my UI. I
> know I'm going to throws out one of the framework's key features, but
> Apache
> Isis isn't just a tool for generate UI, there are a lot more features.
>
> ZK isn't just a viewer or Frontend Layer, it also has Presentation Layer,
> On my previous project I use ZK & JDBC using Constructor. while Apache Isis
> using Dependency Injection @Inject, But I don't have a lot of experience on
> this. I also doubt what I'm trying to do the wrong ways. But If this
> possible, I will be able to build a greate development environment. So I
> try all options that maybe possible for me and meet my requirement.
>
> It also has advantage for a Framework which be able to integrate with other
> Framework for multiple options.
>
> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Stephen Cameron <
> steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','steve.cameron.62@gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I seriously doubt this can work in the way you imagine.
> >
> > You'd have to write a whole new ZK based viewer (like the standard Wicket
> > one).  See the org.apache.isis.viewer.wicket.* packages (4 jars) in the
> > Maven dependencies of the webapp.
> >
> > Maybe Dan is suggesting to move off Apache Isis once you are happy with
> > your domain model, so Apache Isis is only used for prototyping?
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 5:57 PM, SE Song <sesong11@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >
> > > I already create a repository here https://github.com/sesong11/
> > > ApacheIsisZK
> > > and create ZK VM here
> > > https://github.com/sesong11/ApacheIsisZK/blob/master/
> > webapp/src/main/java/
> > > domainapp/webapp/zkvm/SampleVM.java
> > >
> > > Now another issue on integrating ZK, I can't Inject my repository on ZK
> > VM,
> > > Everything ok, excepted Injecting Service, it always null.
> > >
> > > The problem is ZK initiate VM using Contructor, @PostConstruct on ZK VM
> > has
> > > never been called. Can you please help me how to Inject service outside
> > of
> > > container, or guide me another possible ways
> > >
> > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:48 AM, SE Song <sesong11@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm building an business process application, we manage staff
> > information
> > > > and request form such as Leave Request, OT, IT Form...
> > > > each form mush has at least employee info, and form detail...
> > > >
> > > > Auto generate UI is very good idea, e.s it's testable too. But
> > Management
> > > > are not developer, it's very difficult to convince them about
> changing
> > > > their ideas, they always ask what they want.
> > > > They always concern about look and feel at first.
> > > >
> > > > I will create a repository for integrate  Apache Isis and ZK
> framework
> > > for
> > > > UI, If everything go well, I will use ZK for Frontend Layer and
> > > > Presentation Layer,
> > > > and Apache Isis for Business Logic, Business Model and Data Layer. I
> > also
> > > > concern about integrating ZK VM to Isis Repository too, because ZK
> use
> > > > Constructor out site container,
> > > > so Inject Service maybe impossible or difficult. But I will try and
> > post
> > > > on Github
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Dan Haywood <
> > > > dan@haywood-associates.co.uk
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dan@haywood-associates.co.uk');>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> If the behaviour of the text field in particular is problematic,
> then
> > > you
> > > >> can develop and plug in a different implementation using the Wicket
> > > >> framework.  The Wicket viewer guide has details on how to do this
> > > >> (fullcalendar2, gmap3 use this API).
> > > >>
> > > >> That said...
> > > >>
> > > >> You said your pages are form heavy, and are all view models. I
> wonder
> > > >> therefore whether you are fighting the framework too much.  Why are
> > you
> > > >> using view models rather than just surface entities? Why do your
> users
> > > >> need
> > > >> so much  information on a single page - what use cases are you
> trying
> > to
> > > >> support? Where is this app on the "problem solver Vs process
> follower"
> > > >> axis?
> > > >>
> > > >> One option for you might be to use Isis as a development environment
> > (to
> > > >> build a good quality domain model) but then write a custom UI, eg
in
> > ZK
> > > on
> > > >> top of it. Obviously this throws out one of the framework's key
> > > features,
> > > >> but you get full flexibility to do whatever. Or, you could use the
> > Rest
> > > >> api
> > > >> to accomplish the same.
> > > >>
> > > >> But, I do suggest you also try to work within the constraints of the
> > > >> framework, and see what that gives you. We know of plenty of
> "problem
> > > >> solver" type apps that are out there that work well enough without
> > lots
> > > of
> > > >> customisations.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hth,
> > > >> Dan.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, 12:11 SE Song, <sesong11@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Yes, I am learning about it. And another option for me is using
ZK
> > > >> > framework for UI
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Rade, Joerg / Kuehne + Nagel
/
> Ham
> > > >> GI-DP <
> > > >> > Joerg.Rade@kuehne-nagel.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Joerg.Rade@kuehne-nagel.com');>> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Have you considered using the RestfulObjects interface [1]
yet?
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > -j
> > > >> > > [1] https://isis.apache.org/guides/ugvro/ugvro.html
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > > >> > > Von: SE Song [mailto:sesong11@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>]
> > > >> > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. November 2017 11:28
> > > >> > > An: users@isis.apache.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','users@isis.apache.org');>
> > > >> > > Betreff: Re: Customize UI behavior
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > My issue isn't just scrolling, but also behavior of Textbox.
If
> > it's
> > > >> > > possible to change it behavior from clicking and show OK
Button
> &
> > > >> Cancel
> > > >> > > Button to use ajax to bind it to VM without bother user
to click
> > > >> submit.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Stephen Cameron <
> > > >> > > steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','steve.cameron.62@gmail.com');>
> > > >> > > > wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > Ok,  but using tabs via layout.xml is still an option.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Maybe using a JAXB VM causes a full page reload?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Do you have to use them?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:13 PM, SE Song <sesong11@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > > It always scroll like this.
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > ​
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 5:10 PM, SE Song <
> sesong11@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >> Sorry that I did not specified that I am using
JAXB VM. It
> > just
> > > >> > > > >> submit
> > > >> > > > to
> > > >> > > > >> VM
> > > >> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Stephen Cameron
<
> > > >> > > > >> steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','steve.cameron.62@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>
> > > >> > > > >>> More details here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?
> > > v=MxewC5Pve5k
> > > >> > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > >>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Stephen
Cameron <
> > > >> > > > >>> steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','steve.cameron.62@gmail.com');>
> > > >> > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > >>> > Have you tried using tabs via the
xxx.layout.xml?
> > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > >> > > > >>> > My pages aren't more than one screen
height and I've not
> > had
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > > other
> > > >> > > > >>> > problems that you indicate, Apache
Isis doesn't submit a
> > > form
> > > >> in
> > > >> > > > >>> > the
> > > >> > > > >>> sense
> > > >> > > > >>> > of an HTML <form> element,
each click of OK submits the
> > > >> updated
> > > >> > > > >>> > value
> > > >> > > > >>> to
> > > >> > > > >>> > the database.
> > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > >> > > > >>> > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:36 PM,
SE Song <
> > > sesong11@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sesong11@gmail.com');>>
> > > >> > > wrote:
> > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > >> > > > >>> >> Dear All,
> > > >> > > > >>> >>
> > > >> > > > >>> >> After presentation Apache Isis
to my manager, what he
> > > doesn't
> > > >> > > > >>> >> like
> > > >> > > > is
> > > >> > > > >>> UI,
> > > >> > > > >>> >> Because the application which
I am developing is HR
> > System,
> > > >> > > > >>> >> which
> > > >> > > > has
> > > >> > > > >>> a
> > > >> > > > >>> >> lot
> > > >> > > > >>> >> of form, so UX is very important
for us.
> > > >> > > > >>> >>
> > > >> > > > >>> >> After Using Apache Isis for a
while I have some problem
> > on
> > > UI
> > > >> > > > >>> behavior as
> > > >> > > > >>> >> bellow:
> > > >> > > > >>> >> 1. When I click on the control
it always scroll to top,
> > so
> > > if
> > > >> > > > >>> >> my
> > > >> > > > from
> > > >> > > > >>> has
> > > >> > > > >>> >> 2x of screen high, user will
very difficult for input
> > data.
> > > >> > > > >>> >> 2. When user click on a textbox
it always show "OK" and
> > > >> "Cancel"
> > > >> > > > >>> button,
> > > >> > > > >>> >> OK
> > > >> > > > >>> >> button use submit, this make
my form refresh every
> time I
> > > >> press
> > > >> > > > Enter
> > > >> > > > >>> or
> > > >> > > > >>> >> Click "OK", so it always scroll
back to top and destroy
> > > >> another
> > > >> > > > field
> > > >> > > > >>> that
> > > >> > > > >>> >> I did not submit.
> > > >> > > > >>> >> 3. I want to change behavior
of textbox from Clicking
> > > Submit
> > > >> to
> > > >> > > > >>> >> use
> > > >> > > > >>> jQuery
> > > >> > > > >>> >> (ZK like) to send data to my
VM when user Lost Focus on
> > > >> textbox.
> > > >> > > > >>> >>
> > > >> > > > >>> >> Please help to guide me what
should I do/learn to solve
> > > this
> > > >> > > > problem.
> > > >> > > > >>> >>
> > > >> > > > >>> >>
> > > >> > > > >>> >> Another option for me is to integrate
Apache Isis with
> ZK
> > > >> > > Framework.
> > > >> > > > >>> ZK
> > > >> > > > >>> >> framework for implement presentation
layer and fronted
> > > layer.
> > > >> > > > >>> >> Is
> > > >> > > > this
> > > >> > > > >>> >> option possible?
> > > >> > > > >>> >>
> > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > >> > > > >>> >
> > > >> > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > >>
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