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From Óscar Bou - GOVERTIS <o....@govertis.com>
Subject Re: Thinking about re-introducing UML in our workflow
Date Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:37:01 GMT
H, Cesar.

Thanks here also.

I’ve seen the video, but need to find time to install and test it locally. 

Seems interesting for direct generation. 
No example is given for reverse-engineering.

As I see, customizing for Apache Isis would be a matter of defining 
- a custom profile for Apache Isis (perhaps it would be enough with the Java one).
- and an Apache-Isis specific Library (for generating the properties, actions, etc. with the
proper annotations).

It remembers me quite well the Spring Roo customization on SparxSystem’s Enterprise Arquitect.

There I implemented also a custom toolbox, in order to avoid to first create the attribute
and after that assign to the specific library item (instead of 2 different steps).

Perhaps all that is also possible here.


Thanks,

Oscar






> El 23 nov 2015, a las 21:18, Stephen Cameron <steve.cameron.62@gmail.com> escribió:
> 
> Thanks Cesar, I will give it a go, but don't have alot of time now this
> week. They use myeclipse at work and its cheap to buy a licence, so I'll
> find out why the activity diagrams are missing.
> 
> I am also keen to take a closer look at IFML [1] in terms of it being
> integated with the workflow addon in Apache-Isis. This is instead of UML
> Activity diagrams.
> 
> [1] http://www.ifml.org
> 
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:00 AM, Cesar Lugo <cesar.lugo@sisorg.com.mx>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi. I also tried Papyrus, it works but the installation is a little
>> tricky. Best guidance I got was this YouTube video, which adds the "missing
>> link" to make it work. It's actually a part of a quite nice series with
>> Papyrus and UML tutorial videos. I hope that helps.
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmf8CswqKcs
>> 
>> Cesar.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stephen Cameron [mailto:steve.cameron.62@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 4:42 AM
>> To: users@isis.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Thinking about re-introducing UML in our workflow
>> 
>> Spent some time on this today, but did not get far. I tried Papyrus but
>> without success, couldn't get it to reverse engineer my code that is. Then
>> I tried myeclipse which does support UML2 and does reverse engineer Java
>> code to UML class diagrams and also updates these diagrams from any (code)
>> 'Model' changes afterwards. However the trial strangelly doesn't support
>> Activity diagrams despite them being in the documentation. So all in all
>> not time well spent.
>> 
>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Stephen Cameron <
>> steve.cameron.62@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Related to this thread, my new job involves maintenance of a Struts 2
>>> based website, in thinking about the best way to approach this task,
>>> both to learn how it has been put together and potentially make life
>>> easier into the future I thought the best place to start is creating
>>> some diagrams, maybe even UML diagrams .
>>> 
>>> Then I remembered something called AndroMDA [1] from my past reading
>>> on UML/MDA, it has a 'cartridge' for generating a Struts
>>> web-application off a UML class model [2]. Just reading the
>>> documentation now, it can also make use of an UML Activity diagram for
>>> designing page navigation[3], also, it consume a BPMN diagram as a
>>> design model too (Hmm, just maybe this has more potential than I
>> imagined).
>>> 
>>> I'll have a play with this myself soon (It seems like a fun way to
>>> learn about Struts and JBOSS), but thought in worth mentioning in this
>>> discussion. If I was starting from scratch to build such a 'public
>> facing'
>>> website, an approach that I can see working is to first develop an
>>> Apache Isis based domain model in Java and get all the systems
>>> integrations needed working with that. Then, to generate UML class
>>> diagrams off that design, add in the page navigation design (UML
>>> Activity diagram?), and use that combination to generate the skeleton
>>> of a tradition request/response type website using AndroMDA.
>>> 
>>> If this all worked, it would provide something very close to a
>>> commercial MDA suite that I was interested in supporting called
>>> WebRatio [4], for which the public website design [5] market seems
>>> quite large. They talk about web-applications, but  I like the Isis
>>> coded model approach better for real applications (as opposed to
>>> database back web-sites). For public facing web-sites, a templates
>>> based approach does still seem to be valid, such as Struts/JSP, and
>>> using a MDA probably a good way to manage that complexity.
>>> 
>>> The WebRatio folk have designed a specific graphical web-site design
>>> language called Interacton Flow Modelling Language (IFML) [6] (but
>>> AndroMDA is UML focused). There is an open-source Eclipse plugin for
>>> IFML that they have contributed to [7].
>>> 
>>> Interested to hear thoughts, maybe a dead-end, but maybe not.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [1] http://www.andromda.org/
>>> [2]
>>> http://www.andromda.org/andromda-cartridges/andromda-bpm4struts-cartri
>>> dge/index.html
>>> [3]
>>> http://www.andromda.org/andromda-cartridges/andromda-bpm4struts-cartri
>>> dge/howto2.html
>>> [4] http://www.webratio.com
>>> [5]
>>> http://www.webratio.com/site/content/en/web-application-development
>>> [6] http://www.ifml.org/
>>> [7] http://ifml.github.io/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:48 AM, Cesar Lugo <cesar.lugo@sisorg.com.mx>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi.
>>>> 
>>>> I just wanted to let you guys know that I have tried Papyro in
>>>> eclipse. I have been able to reverse engineer java code and create
>>>> UML Class Diagrams (supports most of the UML types of diagrams
>>>> including use cases, state machine, activity and many more). I tried
>>>> adding a property within a domain object class, then redo java
>>>> engineer and it keeps my diagram and was able to include the new
>>>> property. I haven't been able to do the opposite, adding a property
>>>> within the UML and have it add it to the existing java class though.
>>>> Adding a new UML class generates java code just fine. I haven’t been
>>>> able to reverse engineer some repository classes, anything that uses
>>>> java.util.List fails to be imported into the UML model, I haven't
>>>> find the solution yet (sortedSet works fine). It doesn't
>>>> automatically create the diagram (like other simpler tools do), but
>>>> once you import your java code into the UML model, it's just a matter
>>>> of drag and drop and into the diagram canvas and select which
>>>> properties and operations (actions) you want to be shown, very
>>>> convenient to exclude the obvious from the diagram, like getters and
>> setters, maybe disableXxx / hideXxx / defaultxXX methods, your choice.
>>>> 
>>>> I will keep working on it, looking good so far.
>>>> 
>>>> Cesar.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Óscar Bou - GOVERTIS [mailto:o.bou@govertis.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 4:53 AM
>>>> To: users
>>>> Subject: Re: Thinking about re-introducing UML in our workflow
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> For you to know.
>>>> 
>>>> I was just reading about “AgileJ” [1] (the video at [2] is excellent.
>>>> It perfectly summarizes the points-of-view expressed here about the
>>>> evolution last years of UML usage in dev teams).
>>>> 
>>>> But I’ve also found the Papyrus Eclipse project [3]. Seems to be
>>>> really alive (there has been a conference this month).
>>>> 
>>>> And It also seems to have full code synch from Java … See [4].
>>>> 
>>>> Any experience out there with Papyrus?
>>>> Could it be a good match for Apache Isis?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Oscar
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> [1] http://www.agilej.com
>>>> [2] https://www.youtube.com/embed/hs9TYFsxkxE?autoplay=1&rel=0
>>>> [3] http://www.eclipse.org/papyrus/
>>>> [4]
>>>> https://www.eclipsecon.org/europe2015/session/papyrus4java-uml-diagra
>>>> ms-ordinary-java-developers
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> El 16 nov 2015, a las 11:29, Óscar Bou - GOVERTIS
>>>>> <o.bou@govertis.com>
>>>> escribió:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> First of all, the good news for all romantics:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Together is still alive !!! See [1].
>>>>> 
>>>>> [2] says it fully supports Eclipse.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Really interesting, Jeroen, introducing Lombok.
>>>>> Look how clear and concise is the Aggregate in [3] expressed in C#.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> For me, my immediate need is to have a visual depiction of the new
>>>> features developers must work on.
>>>>> So an Agile diagramming tool would be ok for it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’m used to drag-n-drop like interfaces, and I'm there are “visual”
>>>> tools out there that support plantuml, so it would be ok to be based on
>> it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also agree that the model "must be" the code (and not “the code is
>>>>> the
>>>> model” MDA approach, despite my experience with Bold for
>>>> Delphi/Capable Objects was REALLY really good).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oscar
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> http://www.borland.com/en-GB/Products/Requirements-Management/Toget
>>>>> her
>>>>> [2[
>>>>> http://www.borland.com/en-GB/Products/Requirements-Management/Toget
>>>>> her
>>>>> /Plugins-and-integrations [3]
>>>>> https://github.com/Lokad/lokad-cqrs/blob/master/SaaS.Domain/Aggrega
>>>>> tes
>>>>> /Register/RegistrationState.cs
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> El 16 nov 2015, a las 10:57, Mike Burton <mikeb@mycosystems.co.uk>
>>>> escribió:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Jeroen,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My experience is similar. I was always suspicious of the "code
>>>> generation " approach, inevitably gives 2 "sources" that get out of
>> step.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The only good exception I saw was TogetherJ where "the code is the
>>>> model"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike Burton
>>>>>> (Sent from my iPhone)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 15 Nov 2015, at 23:44, Jeroen van der Wal
>>>>>>> <jeroen@stromboli.it>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All very interesting!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Over the years I tried numerous modelling tools and only the
>>>>>>> low-tech ones
>>>>>>> stayed: drawing on a whiteboard, using coloured index cards [1]
>>>>>>> (learned from Dan) or using a simple online tool like yUML [2].
>>>>>>> And I only use them to communicate the broad picture or for
>>>>>>> explorative
>>>> purposes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I gave up on code generators: I always ended up fighting the
>>>>>>> generated code. And the impression that they support rapid
>>>>>>> application development proved wrong: at the point where you
had
>>>>>>> to work on more advanced stuff velocity came to a halt. If an
>>>>>>> application is built on lots of repeating code snippets then
my
>>>>>>> conclusion is that the underlying framework is not good enough.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I love source code that tells the story of the application. Where
>>>>>>> everything that could be left out of the code is eliminated.
Very
>>>>>>> DRY, convention over code. This has drawn me to Naked Objects
and
>>>>>>> made me decide to spend my time on Apache Isis.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As you imagine by now I would not take the route from diagram
to
>>>>>>> code. For me the code editor is the sole canvas to express your
>>>>>>> ideas. And I think that if we keep improving Apache Isis on a
few
>>>>>>> points there will never be a need for an additional tool:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1) Reduce boilerplate and make writing an application skeleton
as
>>>>>>> easy as the easiest modelling tool. This has the advantage that
a
>>>>>>> software architect can sketch the application and leave it to
his
>>>>>>> developers to fill in details. But everyone is working on the
>>>>>>> same code base using the same tools. In this area we started
>>>>>>> using Lombok. Also Dan had an idea to make it possible to create
>>>>>>> your own custom annotations which can combine multiple annotations.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2) Visualise the meta model. With contributions and mixins the
>>>>>>> application logic can come from anywhere. This is architecturally
>>>>>>> sane but makes an application hard to grasp. It would love to
see
>>>>>>> a maven plugin that generates appealing documentation from the
>>>>>>> meta model of an Isis application.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3) When taking the visualisation concept a bit further it would
>>>>>>> be very powerful to explore and navigate the meta model within
the
>> IDE.
>>>>>>> Any plugin developers here?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> That's just my two cents.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jeroen
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 15 November 2015 at 21:01, David Tildesley
>>>>>>>> <davotnz@yahoo.co.nz>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 15 November 2015 5:37 AM, Dan Haywood <
>>>>>>>> dan@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for this James.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> My observation re: using the (relational) data model
as the
>>>>>>>>> initial input though is that this is likely to lead to
rather
>>>>>>>>> coupled code, ultimately not maintainable.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Couldn't agree more.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So, while going from the database up to the domain is
fine for
>>>>>>>>> a single module of 10 or so entities, any app that is
bigger
>>>>>>>>> than this really
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>> be modelled from the domain down to the database.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Quite right. Any business app that is non trivial should
be
>>>>>>>> domain modelled.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 14 November 2015 at 15:00, James Agada
>>>>>>>>> <James.agada@cwg-plc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I actually tested out using Telosys to generate an isis
app
>>>>>>>>> from database definition. It did work but of course it
meant i
>>>>>>>>> did the ER first. I used MySQL, did the ER modelling
on the
>>>>>>>>> workbench, forward engineered into the database and then
used
>>>>>>>>> telosys scripts to generate a functional Isis application.
Did
>>>>>>>>> it as a PoC but we
>>>> will come back to it later.
>>>>>>>>> James Agada
>>>>>>>>> Chief Technology Officer
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 14 Nov 2015, at 3:49 PM, Óscar Bou - GOVERTIS
>>>>>>>>> <o.bou@govertis.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Many thanks, Stephen for this detailed explanation.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The problem I’m facing is that I intent to communicate
the
>>>>>>>>> developers what’s the model to implement.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And I usually don’t find big mistakes in action code,
but what
>>>>>>>>> mostly forces us to refactor is miscommunication regarding
the
>>>>>>>>> Domain Entities, attributes and actions names, including
typos
>>>>>>>>> (think my team speak
>>>>>>>> Spanish
>>>>>>>>> but they’re modeling in English) or wrong or missing
>>>>>>>>> relationships
>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>> those entities.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All that could be avoided by firstly agree in a common
UML
>>>>>>>>> Class
>>>> Diagram.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> If it can potentially generate automatically the Java
skeleton
>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>> Isis annotations is a big plus, as it will avoid mistakes
when
>>>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> design to implementation.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> And if it could potentially reverse engineer Java (incl.
Apache
>>>>>>>>> Isis
>>>>>>>>> idioms) a really good feature.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Any ideas about what tools could best adapt to the workflow
>>>>>>>>> (that could
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> potentially customized to cover the last 2 whishes) ?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Oscar
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> El 14 nov 2015, a las 2:03, Stephen Cameron
>>>>>>>>> <steve.cameron.62@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> escribió:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi Oscar,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In a qualified way I think your idea has merit. I have
never
>>>>>>>>> used UML for design, but a few years ago I decided to
take a
>>>>>>>>> good look at it and see
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> if was useful. The idea of being able to draw a diagram
and
>>>>>>>>> generate code from it seemed sensible, after all that
is what
>>>>>>>>> is done by most other 'design' professions, such as building
>>>> architects and engineers.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> To cut a long story short I realised after some reading
that it
>>>>>>>>> was not that simple, and that OO languages themselves
are
>>>>>>>>> really all that are needed for the process of designing
a
>>>>>>>>> system. This is "the code is the design" school of thought,
>>>>>>>>> mainly attributed to
>>>> Jack Reeves [1].
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I found that  keeping code and UML diagrams in sync in
a
>>>>>>>>> top-down 'UML to code' design process will always be
>>>>>>>>> problematic (maybe why there are apparently no open-source
tools
>> that claim to do this).
>>>>>>>>> Then I read about Domain Driven Design which seemed to
agree
>>>>>>>>> with this premise, and from there found Apache Isis via
Dan's
>> book.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> So now for me UML class diagrams do have an after the
fact use
>>>>>>>>> for documentation purposes and if a solution implement
was
>>>>>>>>> capable of that reverse generation of diagrams from code
it
>>>>>>>>> would be a good thing to
>>>>>>>> have.
>>>>>>>>> Entity Framework can do this, its their "code first"
approach.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Given that the-code-is-the-design is true, I think that
UML
>>>>>>>>> class
>>>>>>>> diagrams
>>>>>>>>> real main value is as a data model, the question then
is why
>>>>>>>>> not use a purely data-modeling tool and generate Java
classes off
>> it.
>>>>>>>>> Then the diagrams 'designed' could have a usefulness
to
>>>>>>>>> programmers and to system users, something like those
created
>>>> SchemaSpy [2]  for example.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> There are already useful and free Java class generation
>>>>>>>>> (binding) tools from off data-models, of one sort or
another,
>>>>>>>>> such as JAXB,
>>>> DataNucleus'
>>>>>>>>> schemaGen[3], even CAM [4].
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Here is my vision of what I think would be really useful:
to
>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>> design
>>>>>>>>> tool that can be used by non-programmers to create a
simple
>>>>>>>>> data-model,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> then to have that create a working Apache Isis based
CRUD system.
>>>>>>>>> This could serve your purpose (I guess) and also find
a wider use.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The means of achieving this would I think, require something
>>>>>>>>> like the "dynamic classes" in available in the Moxy framework
>>>>>>>>> [5], that is, map based so that no Java class compilation
is
>> needed.
>>>>>>>>> Instead, a data-model configuration file (a schema) is
read-in
>>>>>>>>> to configure the system. This is not a strange idea,
in fact
>>>>>>>>> its the data-driven programming paradigm that is the
basis of
>>>>>>>>> the original browser concept (before it was turned into
>>>>>>>> OO
>>>>>>>>> application framework via addition of Javascript). In
the
>>>>>>>>> browser the
>>>>>>>> data
>>>>>>>>> is HTML that is turned into an in-memory Document Object
Model
>>>>>>>>> (DOM) for rendering.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> As a blended solution between Apache Isis as it is currently
>>>>>>>>> (heavily influence by naked objects, an OO modelling
based
>>>>>>>>> approach for creating custom *behavioural* applications)
and
>>>>>>>>> this additional mainly data
>>>>>>>> focused
>>>>>>>>> approach, I think a programmer developing a business
>>>>>>>>> application would start off with these dymanic classes
and then
>>>>>>>>> in time 'harden' the design by generating and compiling
real
>>>>>>>>> Java classes from off the model. [A non-programmer wouldn't
get
>>>>>>>>> past the first design 'phase' usually, but still end
up with a
>>>>>>>>> useable UI.]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In addition, by having separate abstract model-generated
>>>>>>>>> classes, that
>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> be overwritten if the data-model changes, and concrete
>>>>>>>>> implementation classes, where you put all your behavioural
code
>>>>>>>>> and that are never overwritten, you get close to the
>>>>>>>>> 'round-tripping' that would seem to me
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> be the only valid way to use UML *for design*. I think
this is
>>>>>>>>> how the Eclipse Ecore models work, that there are model
classes
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> implementation
>>>>>>>>> classes that extend the model classes. The IDE will often
warn
>>>>>>>>> you when these two sub-models have inconsistencies. This
>>>>>>>>> duality also offers an alternative means to achieving
the goals
>>>>>>>>> of Lombok it
>>>> would seem.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Of course, sitting in the middle of all this is a meta-model,
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> creates
>>>>>>>>> the dynamic classes, generates and compiles the 'hardened'
>>>>>>>>> model classes (when used) and maps either of these means
to a UI
>> 'viewer'.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> For such data-management frameworks, the complicated
aspect
>>>>>>>>> isn't so much going from the designed data-model to Java,
there
>>>>>>>>> are lots of examples of that, instead its being able
to have
>>>>>>>>> also, a dynamic query capability. So that a person unfamiliar
>>>>>>>>> with the dataset, can, via its data-model, start querying
it
>>>>>>>>> (and also maybe integrating it in real-time with other
online
>>>>>>>>> resources, the
>>>> idea of a data-browser appeals!).
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In the science domain, where I worked for a few years
building
>>>>>>>>> data-management infrastructure, there are highly advanced
>>>>>>>>> systems for online data access and querying e.g. [6],
but at
>>>>>>>>> the same time a common tool used for small databases
is still
>> Microsoft Access.
>>>>>>>>> Access has many strengths as a desktop database, including
form
>>>>>>>>> generation and also
>>>>>>>> dynamic
>>>>>>>>> query-by-form, but the problems arise when you want to
make
>>>>>>>>> such data publicly available, in the sense of being findable
>>>>>>>>> and searchable in real time. You might as well have used
a
>>>>>>>>> web-based system from the start and then been able to
easily
>>>>>>>>> open it to the
>>>> world at the appropriate time.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Having though about this problem for a number of years
and
>>>>>>>>> spent alot of time working on a XForms based solution
as well.
>>>>>>>>> I'd be very interested
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> see Apache Isis broaden its scope to offer what I have
>>>>>>>>> described, in fact its doesn't seem to need very much
more than
>>>>>>>>> what is already present in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Isis meta-model and Wicket viewer. The Restful objects
support
>>>>>>>>> already provides a generic 'generated' web programming
interface.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In summary I know that there are some Java projects that
make
>>>>>>>>> very effective use of a Model Driven Architecture approach
(e.g
>>>>>>>>> [7]), but I am now not sure that UML is the
>>>>>>>>> 'be-all-and-end-all' basis of
>>>> that.
>>>>>>>> Actually I
>>>>>>>>> think that data-models are the basis of most of MDAs
efficiency
>>>>>>>>> dividends and that there are other approaches, specifically
>>>>>>>>> that conceptual models offer more versatility in terms
of who
>>>>>>>>> and how
>>>> you can make use of them.
>>>>>>>>> This thinking goes way back, such as Sowa's Conceptual
Graphs
>>>>>>>>> [8] and
>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>> to Codd [9]. A modern expression of Sowa's thoughts (I
gather)
>>>>>>>>> is the W3C semantic web, but he was thinking of database
design
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>> query way back.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Apart from some additions to Isis, another interesting
aspect
>>>>>>>>> is looking
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> the mapping to data-stores, using a graph database of
one sort
>>>>>>>>> or another to avoid the complexity of ORM is a simple
answer to
>>>>>>>>> that I feel. Again, the hardening of a design might mean
>>>>>>>>> manually adding a few overrides of default ORM mapping
rules
>>>>>>>>> into some behavioural-model classes, that
>>>>>>>> extend
>>>>>>>>> generated data-model classes (getters and setters only).
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [1]http://www.developerdotstar.com/mag/articles/reeves_design_m
>>>>>>>>> ain
>>>>>>>>> .html
>>>>>>>>> [2]http://schemaspy.sourceforge.net/sample/relationships.html
>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>> http://www.datanucleus.org/products/accessplatform_2_1/rdbms/sch
>>>>>>>> ema
>>>>>>>> tool.html
>>>>>>>>> [4]http://camprocessor.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
>>>>>>>>> [5]https://wiki.eclipse.org/EclipseLink/Examples/MOXy/Dynamic
>>>>>>>>> [6]http://www.opendap.org/
>>>>>>>>> [7]http://www.opencrx.org/
>>>>>>>>> [8]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conceptual_graph
>>>>>>>>> [9]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_Model/Tasmania
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 8:45 PM, Óscar Bou - GOVERTIS
<
>>>>>>>> o.bou@govertis.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I’m considering re-introducing UML Class diagrams in
our
>>>>>>>>> workflow mainly
>>>>>>>>> for:
>>>>>>>>> - graphically design the domain entities.
>>>>>>>>> - modeling relationships.
>>>>>>>>> - agree with names of properties, collections and actions
needed.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It would be wonderful if the UML solution could also
be
>>>>>>>>> “integrated” with Apache Isis or Java, automating
at least the
>>>>>>>>> entities Java skeleton generation.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I’ve worked extensively with Rational Rose and Sparx
>>>>>>>>> EnterpriseArchitect, but was thinking about an Eclipse-based
>>>> solution that could “potentially”
>>>>>>>>> be adapted to generate the Java entities with Isis annotations.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Before joining the Apache Isis community I developed
[1] for
>>>>>>>>> Enterprise Architect for automatically generating Spring
>>>>>>>>> Roo-based classes, but Isis was better suited for our
project
>>>>>>>>> and I abandoned
>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Any ideas?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Oscar
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> [1] http://roomodeler.com
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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