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From "Ross Gardler (JIRA)" <>
Subject [jira] [Commented] (INFRA-7524) migrate Apache Subversion project over to the git repo
Date Tue, 01 Apr 2014 23:05:20 GMT


Ross Gardler commented on INFRA-7524:

>From a technical perspective I'm amazed that the SVN community has "voted" to go in this
direction. It is clear that Greg, as VP Subversion, is not in favour of this move (see his
reasoning above) but if this is what the Subversion community want so be it. It is not the
place of the foundation to stand in the way of progress.

I wouldn't go quite so far as Joe's take on the whole thing but as ever Joe speaks what many
are thinking. We, the foundation, have to look to the outside world to see if our practices
are still the "best" practices. Infra have done an awesome job of marrying the strengths of
Subversion to the current "new" world of "social coding" and the sub-standard IP due-diligence
this approach often encourages in open source projects. It seems like the subversion community
have bravely sought to go further than this and to question something that is at the core
of their project. All power to them for being willing to make huge sacrifice for the benefit
of all (mind you I still find it hard to believe the sacrifice is worth it - but I guess that's
why I'm not an SVN committer).

However, as Jim and Rich ask, does the community want this? 

Frankly I'm pleased to see Rich taking an unusually forceful stance on this. When our EVP
decides to speak so clearly and strongly we have to take note - especially when that person
is normally extremely careful with his words. Jim is displaying the colours that us long-timers
in the ASF have grown to love and respect. His keen eye for a slippery slope is something
we need and he surely has spotted a slippery slope here.

To be clear, my concern is not the questionable technical decision that has been made by the
Subversion PMC. It is what this means to the decision making processes in Apache communities.
Jim speaks at length on this above so I will not go into those more deeply than to say I expect
the board to be assigning me a task relating to the Subversion PMC in the next April meeting
- Greg as a VP of the foundation, you simply should know better than to allow this to happen.
I hope you clear up this mess before that task is assigned to me.

My most pressing concern is the impact this will have on our Infra team. I was unaware of
this until a few minutes ago, and as with Jim it caught me totally unawares. I've yet to hear
from Sam as VP Infra but as far as I can gather the Infra team are not ready for the mass
migration that this move will create. Again, Greg, as a Director of the foundation you simply
should know better.

Finally, on an entirely personal note, I've been dodging bullets all day today, but this one
hit me. As a Volunteer in this foundation I don't appreciate having to clear up the mess you
folks are creating here.

> migrate Apache Subversion project over to the git repo
> ------------------------------------------------------
>                 Key: INFRA-7524
>                 URL:
>             Project: Infrastructure
>          Issue Type: Task
>          Components: Git
>            Reporter: Greg Stein
>            Assignee: Jake Farrell
> Grrrr... vote passed. Not happy, but here we go:
> Infra: please migrate our repository at /repos/asf/subversion/ over to the Git repository
> We already have the mirror at But that has always been there as a read-only
mirror (along with the copy over to GitHub). Will the git repo be at (is
it *still* considered -wip "work in progress"?)
> Not sure what else you guys need. Haven't exactly studied up on the migration process.
Please let me know.
> (tho I'm up late here now and need to sleep soon; others from the PMC will be able to

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