From zeta-dev-return-807-apmail-incubator-zeta-dev-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Nov 4 09:58:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-zeta-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-zeta-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C61529207 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:58:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 46595 invoked by uid 500); 4 Nov 2011 09:58:50 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-zeta-dev-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 46517 invoked by uid 500); 4 Nov 2011 09:58:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact zeta-dev-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: zeta-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list zeta-dev@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: moderator for zeta-dev@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 7384 invoked by uid 99); 4 Nov 2011 09:34:21 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of henri.bergius@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.182 as permitted sender) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QOVlPG21xWA1FKqnTebkrh01UpZXZYKkfk4CNsPnMxA=; b=Z+c+/yj5ILXR4/9VwsEDYLYrehq33TsMAexx5hgpQbef4jqu35lAFC1ebLyqPyWKir ccPK1KWTKJr0U9H/FTLencjUv/Vu4nrPlz6fi2mqiekyRfMRPamumNElOYnR+hqNFINg yL6B686u31dkdg0C0FS0qYHTv/z8VRb5vgdm4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: henri.bergius@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:33:54 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: hLRd_knIfae21wdMXGhU_OoQAv4 Message-ID: From: Henri Bergius To: zeta-dev@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [zeta-dev] The Piwi Framework On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > But it seems, there is less interest. Don't know whats wrong, but it > seems the PHP world is overloaded with frameworks. It seems, even a > high quality framework as Zeta does suffer from this fact. In general, PHP has too many frameworks, and too few reusable libraries. I think for AZC it would be better to position itself as a managed collection of high-quality libraries than to try and position as a framework. After all, Zeta components can already be used outside of Zeta-managed framework code (for example, both Midgard MVC and Symfony2 have integrations with the Workflows component). Which brings me to another point I wanted to take up. How about packaging and distributing AZC through the new Composer system? That would make the Zeta components quite accessible and easy to depend on: http://bergie.iki.fi/blog/composer_solves_the_php_code-sharing_problem/ > Christian /Henri -- Henri Bergius Motorcycle Adventures and Free Software http://bergie.iki.fi/ Jabber: henri.bergius@gmail.com Microblogs: @bergie