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From "John D. Ament"<johndam...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Resigning as mentor: what next?
Date Thu, 30 Nov 2017 01:55:26 GMT
Yuri,

Just to be clear.  As the VP of the Incubator, I'm not going to chase you guys away.  If you
need some time to regroup and figure out how to move into another location please take your
time.  Once the votes conclude, I will enter tickets to make resources read only.  Once that
happens, you won't be able to use these lists.  I personally would rather you guys have everything
figured out before moving forward, even if that takes a week or two to resolve.

John

On 2017-11-29 16:09, Yuri Z <vega113@gmail.com> wrote: 
> Ok, so unless someone objects I ll post a vote to terminate the Wave
> podling.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > There are two questions here:
> >
> > 1. Is the Wave podling at the ASF going to terminate?
> > 2. Is the Wave codebase going to persist somewhere else, in which case,
> > where, and who will be a part of that effort?
> >
> > The first requires a vote of the PPMC, followed by a vote of the
> > Incubator PMC.
> >
> > The second just requires a consensus, here.
> >
> > Upayavira
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, at 05:06 PM, Upayavira wrote:
> > > I would say that the vote should happen as soon as it can. The ASF won't
> > > put us under undue pressure to move things elsewhere (so long as they
> > > actually happen!)
> > >
> > > Upayavira
> > >
> > > On Wed, 29 Nov 2017, at 04:01 PM, Yuri Z wrote:
> > > > Ok, let's wait some time. But, repo, jira and documentation will stay
-
> > > > as
> > > > read only.
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:39 PM Zachary Yaro <zmyaro@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If possible, I think it would be better to hold off on the vote
> > until we
> > > > > know what the new homes for the mailing list, code repo, and
> > documentation
> > > > > will be, and ensure we can update waveprotocol.org with those
> > details.
> > > > >
> > > > > Zachary Yaro
> > > > >
> > > > > On 29 November 2017 at 04:41, Yuri Z <vega113@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > So, if we have a consensus, I  will send the retirement vote
email
> > in a
> > > > > few
> > > > > > days.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 11:35 AM Yuri Z <vega113@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, I think I still have admin permissions for
> > waveprotocol.org
> > > > > > > I can add you as admin in can you want to start working
on it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:53 PM Zachary Yaro <zmyaro@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Just so I understand, what would be the criteria for
the project
> > > > > > rejoining
> > > > > > >> the Apache Incubator in the future?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> For instance, we have had several people (myself included)
> > comment
> > > > > that
> > > > > > >> they would become more frequent contributors to the
project
> > once the
> > > > > > >> server
> > > > > > >> and client were sufficiently decoupled that a JavaScript
client
> > could
> > > > > be
> > > > > > >> worked on separately from the Java GWT client.  Should
that
> > happen,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > >> regular work on the project continue, could the project
easily
> > rejoin,
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > >> would there be a higher barrier to reentry?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> And on another note, if the project is retired, what
happens to
> > the
> > > > > > >> documentation and mailing list archives from Apache,
and would
> > > > > anything
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > >> done to help migrate that elsewhere?
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> (On a related note, do we still have access to waveprotocol.org
> > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >> related mailing list?  That would seem to be the logical
place
> > to
> > > > > > migrate
> > > > > > >> to.)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Zachary Yaro
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On 27 November 2017 at 14:43, Dustin Pfannenstiel <
> > > > > > >> dustin.pfannenstiel@nth-estate.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > I've set up a repo and organization for the code
base on
> > github.
> > > > > > >> > https://github.com/TimaeusWave/WaveServer
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Thanks for the years of support and, well, just
everything.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > DMP
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > On Nov 27, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > On Mon, 27 Nov 2017, at 04:46 PM, John D.
Ament wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >> The in depth "incubator required stuff"
is at
> > > > > > >> > >> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/retirement.html
for
> > review
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >> Basically,
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >> - We have this conversation.  Ensure
that there's
> > consensus on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > >> > future
> > > > > > >> > >> of the project.
> > > > > > >> > >> - Call a vote.  When we call a vote,
one of us will send
> > notice
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >> > >> incubator.
> > > > > > >> > >> - Vote again on general@incubator.
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >> I do want to make sure there are two
things abundantly
> > clear:
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >> - Retirement isn't failure.  Wave didn't
fail as a project.
> > > > > > >> > >> - It's better to describe it as "this
isn't a good fit as
> > an
> > > > > Apache
> > > > > > >> > >> project."  Apache projects tend to have
at least three
> > people
> > > > > > >> available
> > > > > > >> > >> at all times, either making changes,
merging in changes,
> > or able
> > > > > to
> > > > > > >> cut
> > > > > > >> > >> releases.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > What John described above is the process
from Apache's side.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > The code is publicly available under an Apache
License. Any
> > of you
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > >> > > push your local repo up to GitHub and share
it with whoever
> > you
> > > > > > like,
> > > > > > >> > > using a name that includes the word "Wave",
so that would
> > be a
> > > > > step
> > > > > > >> > > alongside the more ASF-focussed administrative
tasks above.
> > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > > Upayavira
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> 

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