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From Price Clark <gpwcl...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: SwellRT tech overview
Date Sat, 01 Oct 2016 16:40:05 GMT
Pablo, thanks for the presentation.

While my qualifications to answer this are 0  getting to listen to
Upayavira talk this week (the last Apache mentor if I'm not mistaken) make
me feel the answers to 1 and 2 are easy to answer.

1.) Upayavira communicated very fervently that there just isn't enough
oomph in wave's development. Every year around the time that the retirement
conversation is brought up, activity similar to this starts brewing and
then it all dies down in a few months. From this perspective "Does SwellRT
tackle current Wave problems?" The answer is unequivocally yes, SwellRT is
a more actively maintained fork of Wave and given the slowing/slowed pace
of Wave *a merge with SwellRT is likely the only way to save this project*.

2.) I would also like to bring up another point Upayavira made,
"Communities are built around good ideas and bad code." Running with that I
thing that good ideas attract tinkerers and 'people with ideas' that could
eventually become 'contributors with ideas'. In some senses SwellRT
splinters Apache Wave in a way that developers on this mailing list have
been alluding to for a while. The client side code is not well understood
and is definitely in the way of the server. SwellRT has a more general goal
of supplying a server that is capable of powering a front-end like the
original vision of google wave. This means that merging with SwellRT would
force a separation of the client and server and allow for people with
interests in either a front or back end to work in tandem. This seems like
an ingenious way to attract more people; anyone with an interest in the
backend technology OR a way to use said technology in an application could
be a potential contributor. Unless I'm mistaken it seems like SwellRT
offers a set of features that could be classified as a superset of Wave's
features. So, it seems like most or all of SwellRT would be at home in
Wave. Pablo also reasonably stated that he'd prefer to work in one project.

As for me, as soon as a direction is clear I would love to talk to
someone actively maintaining/writing code so I can help them contribute to
whichever code survives in whatever way possible.

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