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From Adam John>
Subject Re: Retirement
Date Tue, 30 Aug 2016 17:31:10 GMT
I have to weigh in and say that I agree that the bar here was set high from
several perspectives.

I'm currently evaluating what components of this project can be most useful
for incorporation into 2 separate projects. If either one moves forward in
the next 6 months, there will be more developers actively involved here.

That said, I've watched some of the transition videos from Google folks and
read a lot of the docs, reviewed code and worked on implementing this
project for myself.  It is daunting and would benefit overall from 2
significant - imho critical - updates;
(1) the Product itself needs real changes - like the concept of bots needs
pulled out from core terminology and revamped as a more current common
concept / ie agents.  There needs to be better organization of the Product
from concept to contribution.  This is not to diminish the vast resources
present, only to highlight an improvement area.
(2) the Architecture needs serious review and revision to figure out how
best to leverage other projects and allow focus on the specific benefits
this project enables.  The technology stack overall needs better separation
at least from a newcomers perspective.
As a third factor, and #1 on my list for adoption is rolling docker images
for the project.  This is essential in my humble opinion to allow new
developers to focus on the pieces they feel most equipped to contribute

I don't know how the major changes I am suggesting get introduced and
discussed in much more detail.  I'm hoping that perhaps I lieue of a
potentially dismissive email "vote" ... Maybe a virtual conference would be
of interest?  I would hope that the participants of such a convention would
be the core of a nascent rebirth.  Yes I am volunteering to help take this
on if there is interest...


Adam John
(914) 623-8433

On Aug 30, 2016 12:43 PM, "Zachary Yaro" <> wrote:

I am in a similar boat.  I have front-end development skills, but I
struggle to fully understand the back-end functionality or begin separating
the client from the server.

Zachary Yaro

On Aug 30, 2016 11:51 AM, "Thomas Wrobel" <> wrote:

> I have tried on 3 separate occasions to understand the server. Its
> simply not in my skillset and I don't have the time to learn. I don't
> wish to sound arrogant there, theres learning needed for anything of
> course. But its too much investment -  I want to apply skills that I
> already have. Last time I tried to get into wave development (which
> was I admit a few years back) it took me 3 days to even compile the
> server. Which is frustrating for someone that just wants to work on a
> client.
> So I am certainly not waiting for permission, I am waiting for a
> prerequisite  of a server/client split. I understand I can neither
> demand or expect such a thing. Developers on a project like this just
> have to jump in on what they feel like. Nothing can really be expected
> and I accept that.
> I simply am informing there's "lesser" developers like me that could
> work on bits if certain other things happen.

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