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From Bruno Gonzalez <>
Subject Re: Should we remove Federation?
Date Thu, 07 Apr 2016 15:52:19 GMT
I haven't had time to contribute to Apache Wave in a very long time, so 
I'm in no position to debate about its future, but my opinion is similar 
to Thomas': removing federation from wave goals (even if federation is 
not working at the moment, or is so hard to get to work that nobody uses 
it anyway), would be removing one of the most important defining 
features (in my view) of wave protocol.

On 2016-04-07 17:42, Thomas Wrobel wrote:
> I'm not sure there's any point in wave without federation frankly.
> I supported wave because I didn't want the net turning into "facebook
> protocols" and "google protocols" etc.  We need new emails. Protocols
> that allow people on different servers to communicate, not protocols
> trying to get everyone on the same companies server.
> I still fear a future of incompatibility. Of people having to be on
> server X because their friends are all on server X (and thus server X
> has no incentive to ever get better). Email is getting increasingly
> dated, and there's not much else federated out there even today. As
> the web grows into real-space applications, there will be probably
> even greater need for open communications standards.
> While the comparison of email interface wise might have harmed wave
> somewhat from a user expectation standpoint, I do think the same needs
> are there - a new federated, open, protocol to deal with today's web.
> - sigh -
> --
> <-- our company site.
> <-- our, really,really, bad story generator.
> On 7 April 2016 at 17:25, Yuri Z <> wrote:
>> Hi
>> Currently the federation is broken and requires a significant effort 
>> to
>> fix. Moreover, it never worked perfectly and always was a kind of 
>> Proof Of
>> Concept version. I doubt we can improve the current implementation to 
>> be
>> something stable.
>> Therefore I suggest to remove from Wave source all code and 
>> dependencies
>> related to Federation.
>> Thoughts?

      Bruno Gonzalez

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