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From "Christian Grobmeier" <>
Subject Re: Wave Kickstarter
Date Mon, 02 Dec 2013 18:49:21 GMT

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On 2 Dec 2013, at 18:37, Matthew Murphy wrote:

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> On Dec 2, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Joseph Gentle <> wrote:
>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>> <> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> On 1 Dec 2013, at 19:24, Joseph Gentle wrote:
>>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Ali Lown <> wrote:
>>>>> My only worry with a KS is how do we market it? As beyond putting 
>>>>> it
>>>>> on Hacker News, explaining an P2P OT-backend communication system 
>>>>> is
>>>>> likely to confuse (if not discourage) potential backers.
>>>>> (It also sounds more like the abstract for some academic research,
>>>>> than a commercial project [the issue with being on the edge of
>>>>> research for this technology]).
>>>> Aside from hackernews, we should talk to techcrunch and all the 
>>>> other
>>>> little tech news places. We should do a meetup on the topic here in 
>>>> SF
>>>> to gather support, and we should try to sell the story to our local
>>>> newspapers in our hometowns. I have friends who are good at this 
>>>> stuff
>>>> that I can call on.
>>>> I agree though - the hardest part is (as you say) figuring out how 
>>>> we
>>>> distill down the idea to make it easy to explain.
>>> I can help a little with marketing. I have a well visited blog 
>>> meanwhile
>>> and the right story might draw some good attention to a kickstarter 
>>> campaign.
>> Oh sweet, thanks! We'll also want to do a media blitz, telling
>> techcrunch and all those guys.
>>> As I have some interest in making Wave happen and so I would even 
>>> support
>>> the Kickstarter myself with $.
>>> That all being said, with all the new ideas and hope I would say we 
>>> should
>>> postpone the "go to github discussion" a little more. I think ppl 
>>> will
>>> support some ASF Wave more than a "random github Wave". And be it 
>>> only
>>> because of the safety for a clean IP.
>> Actually, I don't want to run this project through the ASF:
>> - I'd prefer to use the benevolent dictator model, at least for the
>> initial development period. I don't think the ASF is the right place
>> for brand new projects, and this will be entirely new code.
>> - I don't want to have to convince a peanut gallery of backers before
>> I make decisions about the project. I'm happy for the input, but
>> building consensus amongst 1000 people for every decision will kill
>> any project.
>> - Politically, I will also need to develop out of github for the
>> hip-new-project feel. Even google has started putting their projects
>> on github.
>> I'm don't actually think people will support an ASF wave more - I
>> doubt most developers know who the ASF are or what they do, let alone
>> regular people. The developers who have heard of the ASF probably
>> associate it more with old, mature XML libraries, Java build tools
>> with bad websites & enterprise tools like hadoop rather than young
>> agile projects. The ASF might make sense after a year or two, but I
>> want the project to mature outside of the ASF first.
>> The IP will be clean anyway - it'll be entirely new code, and I'll
>> probably keep the apache2 license for patent protection (that won't 
>> do
>> much for a standalone project, but I might be able to flee under the
>> apache umbrella if any patent trolls actually come knocking).
>>> Please let me know if I can do more to support this effort (speaking 
>>> with
>>> my entrepreneur hat on, not my ASF hat)
>> Thanks - I may well take you up on that :)
>> I think the biggest way people will be able to help is to help get 
>> the
>> word out if/when we launch a kickstarter. For this sort of thing 
>> we'll
>> want a media blitz in the first few days of launching the kickstarter
>> to build momentum and get people talking about it.
>> -J
>>> Cheers
>>> Christian
>>>> -J
>>> ---
>>> @grobmeier
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