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From "Christian Grobmeier" <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] To stay or not to stay
Date Tue, 10 Dec 2013 20:17:25 GMT
On 10 Dec 2013, at 21:10, Upayavira wrote:

> As I'm sure you can imagine, I've been thinking about this quite a bit
> recently. If a project still has some life (and Wave does), really the
> only other thing it needs to stay in the incubator is engaged mentors.
> The mentors are the link between the podling and the ASF.
> For me, this vote is to gauge where the community wants to be. The 
> last
> thing I want to do is mentor a group of folks that actually want to be
> elsewhere. If the collective decision (principally of the
> committers/PPMC members) is to stay, then I'm happy to stay around and
> see where we can take this project.

Same for me.

If Wave'rs want to stay, I am happy to help.

There was immense feedback to my initial mail. It seems there is life 


> Upayavira
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013, at 08:03 PM, Pratik Paranjape wrote:
>> How (or for how long) is this a choice? If WAIB  does not show
>> improvement
>> in the amount of activity, a mentor will be asking same question
>> again...whether Wave is a suitable project for the incubator. The
>> discussion started because Christian raised this question in the 
>> first
>> place.  Based on past few months statistics, any significant 
>> improvement
>> in
>> activity will be a dramatic outcome and seems unlikely at this point.
>> On the other hand, I think Wave will survive even through long 
>> periods of
>> inactivity as long as intellectual property stays openly accessible 
>> under
>> permissible enough open source license. Moving away from Apache may
>> actually breath some new direction. Unless we can guarantee 
>> significant
>> activity improvemnent, we are just postponing the issue until next 
>> month.
>> Considering the questions of trademarks, I think it's going to be 
>> easy if
>> whoever wants to implement new ideas makes a fork and takes it 
>> further.
>> Or
>> uses the ideas and completely redesign everything like Joseph is 
>> planning
>> .
>> In any case I think github can generate more activity, even if not as
>> WAIB.
>> What happens to trademarks of abandoned Incubator projects?
>> On 11 Dec 2013 01:09, "Joseph Gentle" <> wrote:
>>> I'm actually going to abstain.
>>> As you know, I want to run a kickstarter to create a new iteration 
>>> of
>>> wave. I won't reuse the current codebase, and I won't place the new
>>> project with the ASF. This decision should be made by people who 
>>> want
>>> to keep working with the current code.
>>> -J
>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Ryan Hill <> wrote:
>>>> I vote stay, for what it's worth.
>>>> I would have an easier time funding one or more developers if I 
>>>> know the
>>>> resulting code would eventually reside under the Apache umbrella. 
>>>> Best of
>>>> luck either way though.
>>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Upayavira <> wrote:
>>>>> It seems to me that the time has come to make a decision here, and 
>>>>> for
>>>>> now, I'm going to ask that we consider just one simple question:
>>>>> * Should Wave stay within Apache, or leave.
>>>>> I'm going to ask that we postpone any discussion about either 
>>>>> option
>>>>> that isn't required to make the decision, until the vote is 
>>>>> complete. If
>>>>> discussion is to occur, please move it to a separate thread, to 
>>>>> keep the
>>>>> [VOTE] thread clean.
>>>>> I'm going to suggest that this vote runs for 72hrs, and that we 
>>>>> aim for
>>>>> consensus. Should anyone wish to change their vote based upon the 
>>>>> votes
>>>>> of others, that's fine, only your last vote will count.
>>>>> I'm going to suggest that for this vote to succeed, we'll need 
>>>>> full
>>>>> consensus of committers/PPMC members. Community votes are also 
>>>>> very much
>>>>> welcome, but committer/PPMC votes will be the ones that make up 
>>>>> the
>>>>> final tally.  If this vote does not receive a consensus, then the 
>>>>> status
>>>>> quo will continue until another event occurs to change it.
>>>>> I myself am not going to vote, as I see this as a vote for those 
>>>>> who
>>>>> feel ownership of the project and its codebase. I couldn't make an
>>>>> impartial vote anyway.
>>>>> So, here's your chance to cast your votes:
>>>>> [  ] Wave should stay at Apache
>>>>> [  ] Wave should leave Apache, and find a home elsewhere
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Upayavira


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