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From Thomas Wrobel <darkfl...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Setting up Wave for client development (my experience setting up on WindowsXP)
Date Thu, 12 Dec 2013 00:54:07 GMT
Ok, took a few days off to work on company project (a adventure game engine
programmed completely in gwt as it happens).

Looking over that Google Doc, I copyed the settings into eclipse's run
options. However, on running I got a few errors;

Dec 10, 2013 7:34:13 AM
org.waveprotocol.box.server.waveserver.CertificateManagerImpl <init>
WARNING: ** SIGNATURE VERIFICATION DISABLED ** see flag
"waveserver_disable_verification"
Dec 10, 2013 7:34:14 AM
org.waveprotocol.box.server.waveserver.WaveServerImpl <init>
INFO: Wave Server configured to host local domains: [local.net]
Dec 10, 2013 7:34:14 AM org.waveprotocol.box.server.rpc.ServerRpcProvider
'localhost:9898' resolved to 127.0.0.1
Dec 10, 2013 7:34:17 AM com.google.gson.ParameterizedTypeHandlerMap register
WARNING: Overriding the existing type handler for class
Dec 10, 2013 7:34:17 AM com.google.gson.ParameterizedTypeHandlerMap register
WARNING: Overriding the existing type handler for class
Dec 10, 2013 7:34:17 AM com.google.gson.ParameterizedTypeHandlerMap register
WARNING: Overriding the existing type handler for class
Dec 10, 2013 7:34:17 AM com.google.gson.ParameterizedTypeHandlerMap register
WARNING: Overriding the existing type handler for class
Dec 10, 2013 7:34:21 AM org.waveprotocol.box.server.ServerMain run
INFO: Starting server
2013-12-10 07:34:22.140:INFO:oejs.Server:jetty-8.1.1.v20120215
2013-12-10 07:34:22.875:INFO:oejsh.ContextHandler:started
o.e.j.w.WebAppContext{/,[file:/C:/TomsProjects/wave/war/]}
2013-12-10 07:34:22.875:INFO:oejsh.ContextHandler:started
o.e.j.w.WebAppContext{/,[file:/C:/TomsProjects/wave/war/]}
2013-12-10 07:34:22.875:INFO:oejsh.ContextHandler:started
o.e.j.w.WebAppContext{/,[file:/C:/TomsProjects/wave/war/]}
Dec 10, 2013 7:34:24 AM
Dec 10, 2013 7:34:25 AM
org.waveprotocol.box.server.rpc.AbstractWaveSocketIOServlet init
com.glines.socketio.server.transport.jetty.JettyWebSocketTransportHandler,
flashsocket=class
com.glines.socketio.server.transport.jetty.JettyWebSocketTransportHandler,
htmlfile=class
com.glines.socketio.server.transport.jetty.JettyContinuationTransportHandler,
jsonp-polling=class
com.glines.socketio.server.transport.jetty.JettyContinuationTransportHandler,
xhr-multipart=class
com.glines.socketio.server.transport.jetty.JettyContinuationTransportHandler,
xhr-polling=class
com.glines.socketio.server.transport.jetty.JettyContinuationTransportHandler}
Dec 10, 2013 7:34:25 AM
org.waveprotocol.box.server.rpc.AbstractWaveSocketIOServlet init
INFO: Transports loaded: [xhr-polling, xhr-multipart, jsonp-polling,
websocket, flashsocket, htmlfile]
2013-12-10 07:34:25.968:INFO:oejs.AbstractConnector:Started
SelectChannelConnector@127.0.0.1:9898

--
Despite these, I think its working. At least "127.0.0.1:9898" in chrome
pops up a page with "*Welcome to Wave in a Box* @local.net" and a login
screen. Could it be? can I finally be ready to start poking at code, rather
then configuration? I hope so ;)

So, I guess next question; whats the default logins or how do I set them?
Does registration work while its running?

~~~
Thomas & Bertines online review show:
http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html
Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :)

On 8 December 2013 02:05, Frank R. <renfeng.cn@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's good. We didn't lose anything. I thought I had attached the
> screenshots of how to config Eclipse to run/debug Wave in a Box. But, I
> Drive<
> >
> .
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Thomas Wrobel <darkflame@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I can see screenshots, at least, some. Regarding compile times, java
> > compliance level and the compile errors if you dont set it.
> >
> > ~~~
> > Thomas & Bertines online review show:
> > http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html
> > Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :)
> >
> >
> > On 7 December 2013 23:49, Ali Lown <ali@lown.me.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Attachments are dropped by the list.
> > >
> > > Ali
> > > On 7 Dec 2013 22:28, "Frank R." <renfeng.cn@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Thomas Wrobel <darkflame@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Fantastic work there.
> > > > > For the moment, I am going to continue trying to set it up
> properly -
> > > and
> > > > > making notes to update/clarify the guide as appropriate, but its
> good
> > > to
> > > > > have that as a fallback.
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently still trying to get the client running;
> > > > >
> > > > > >>you need to create a debug/run configuration with arguments
set
> > > > properly.
> > > > > >>you can find the arguments by reading run.sh
> > > > >
> > > > > I assume you mean "run-server.sh" (or-import or -export). I don't
> see
> > > > just
> > > > > a "run.sh".
> > > > >
> > > > Sorry for the typo. run-server.sh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Then again, I couldn't find any obvious arguments for the client
in
> > > those
> > > > > files either.
> > > > >
> > > > > If anyone here is using eclipse could give me a screenshot of their
> > run
> > > > > settings?
> > > > >
> > > > Can you see the screenshots attached to my previous emails? Can
> anyone?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Alternatively, just let me know what the html file is the webclient
> > is
> > > > > supposed to be using as thats what it doesnt seem to know.
> > > Overall.html?
> > > > > Index.html? frame.html?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~
> > > > > Thomas & Bertines online review show:
> > > > > http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html
> > > > > Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7 December 2013 12:25, Frank R. <renfeng.cn@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  wave-dev-on-cinnamon.ova<
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > frank,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thats pretty awesome, my only question is why you used
LM 13
> and
> > > not
> > > > > say
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > debian cmd line only distro?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Because, it would be a development box with JDK, Ant, Eclipse,
> > Solr,
> > > > and
> > > > > > source code preinstalled and ready to use, i.e. ready for a
> > developer
> > > > to
> > > > > > start in a matter of seconds. It's for you to start playing
with
> > the
> > > > > code,
> > > > > > rather than simply a demo server.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > either way nice work :)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Frank R. <renfeng.cn@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've created a vm. Now, I'm uploading it to Google
Drive for
> > > > sharing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Here is the log of how I made it.
> > > > > > > >  wave-dev-on-cinnamon<
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Frank R. <
> renfeng.cn@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Thomas Wrobel
<
> > > > darkflame@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> "BUILD SUCCESSFUL
> > > > > > > >>> Total time: 312 minutes 41 seconds"
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Ok, after giving Oracle my "totally real"
> > "totally
> > > > > real"
> > > > > > > >>> phone
> > > > > > > >>> number I got JDK6 and now Ant is building
just fine.
> > > > > > > >>> After 5-6 hours its done.
> > > > > > > >>> (hours? is that normal? my machines not that
great but
> > > still...)
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >> What is the configuration of your PC?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> It took me 3 minutes 26 seconds to compile gwt.
> > > more
> > > > > > > details
> > > > > > > >> in a log for how I explored the build process
on Linux Mint
> > 13 -
> > > > > > Making
> > > > > > > >> of Start your own Wave in a Box - Google Drive<
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > >.
> > > > > > > >> And the slides, Start your own Wave in a Box -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > > > >.
> > > > > > > >> Hope that will help.
> > > > > > > >>      [java]    Compile of permutations succeeded
> > > > > > > >>      [java] Linking into /tmp/wave/war/webclient
> > > > > > > >>      [java]    Link succeeded
> > > > > > > >>      [java]    Compilation succeeded -- 204.776s
> > > > > > > >>     [touch] Creating /tmp/wave/build/dep/compile-gwt
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> BUILD SUCCESSFUL
> > > > > > > >> Total time: 3 minutes 26 seconds
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Suggestion;
> > > > > > > >>> Would it be possible to have a virtual machine
with
> > everything
> > > > set
> > > > > up
> > > > > > > >>> already? or is there technical/license reasons
for that to
> be
> > > > > > > unsuitable?
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >> I can do that by creating a virtual box image,
and exporting
> > it
> > > as
> > > > > OVA
> > > > > > > >> file - Open Virtualization Archive, the single-file
version
> of
> > > an
> > > > > Open
> > > > > > > >> Virtualization Format<
> > > > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Virtualization_Format>image.
> > > It'll
> > > > > > > resemble my Linux Mint box.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> Query:
> > > > > > > >>> Can Wave be updated to JDK7? is there big
issues holding it
> > > back
> > > > ?
> > > > > Or
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > >>> there more open alternatives we can use instead
- one that
> > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > >>> require
> > > > > > > >>> handing over personal details to a company?
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> You can have JDK7 to compile and run Wave in a
Box. I guess
> > the
> > > > > trick
> > > > > > > >> should be that compiler compliance level must
be 1.6. I used
> > to
> > > be
> > > > > > > troubled
> > > > > > > >> by the problem occasionally. I need to verify
that.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Now, I have both 7 and 6 on my Windows 7 box.
> > > > > > > >> [image: Inline image 1]
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I have the runtime as Java 6. I don't know how
I get such
> > > settings
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > > >> upgrading JRE and JDK several times, and removing
obsolete
> > > > versions.
> > > > > > > >> [image: Inline image 2]
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> However, my Ant is running on Java 7. I can have
a
> > > > clean-and-release
> > > > > > > >> build.
> > > > > > > >> [image: Inline image 3]
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> When I have Wave in a Box loaded in Eclipse, I
have to make
> > sure
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >> compiler compliance level to be 1.6.
> > > > > > > >> [image: Inline image 5]
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Or else, I'll have a bunch of compile errors.
> > > > > > > >> [image: Inline image 4]
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> --
> > > > > > > >>> If we want to get more people into Wave development,
at my
> > > > > experience
> > > > > > > >>> here
> > > > > > > >>> is the norm, then these might be significant
issues.
> Possibly
> > > > > more-so
> > > > > > > >>> then
> > > > > > > >>> Apache vs Git.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Regardless, I'll continue my experiences trying
to get
> > started.
> > > > ho
> > > > > > hum.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> ~~~
> > > > > > > >>> Thomas & Bertines online review show:
> > > > > > > >>> http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html
> > > > > > > >>> Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about
it :)
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> On 2 December 2013 23:25, Thomas Wrobel <
> darkflame@gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> > bah...need to sign up to Oracle just
> now?
> > > > > > seriously
> > > > > > > >>> >_<
> > > > > > > >>> > This is the sort of thing that puts people
off :-/
> > > > > > > >>> > *files it under "do tommorow"
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> > ~~~
> > > > > > > >>> > Thomas & Bertines online review show:
> > > > > > > >>> > http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html
> > > > > > > >>> > Try it! You might even feel ambivalent
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> > On 2 December 2013 22:10, Thomas Wrobel
<
> > darkflame@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >> ah...no...a fresh download of jdk7
> > > > > > > >>> >> I'll downgrade.
> > > > > > > >>> >>
> > > > > > > >>> >> ~~~
> > > > > > > >>> >> Thomas & Bertines online review
show:
> > > > > > > >>> >> http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html
> > > > > > > >>> >> Try it! You might even feel ambivalent
> > > > > > > >>> >>
> > > > > > > >>> >>
> > > > > > > >>> >> On 2 December 2013 21:39, Ali Lown
<ali@lown.me.uk>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> >>
> > > > > > > >>> >>> Are you definitely using jdk6?
> > > > > > > >>> >>> On 2 Dec 2013 20:25, "Thomas
Wrobel" <
> > darkflame@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > Thanks - I'll use that one
as a reference now, but
> I'll
> > > aim
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > >>> >>> edit/update
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > the other one (as that seems
a bit more "friendly"
> for
> > > > > someone
> > > > > > > >>> getting
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > started).
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > ---
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > Notes #4:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > ant get-third-party is needed
before running ant.
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > --- Stuck #4:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > Build error;
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > C:\TomsProjects\wave>ant
Buildfile:
> > > > > > > C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > check-test-dependencies:
init-logging: [mkdir]
> Created
> > > dir:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\logs
[echo] Logging to
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > C:\TomsProjects\wave/build/logs/build_2013-11-29_17-48-35
> > > > > .log
> > > > > > > >>> init:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > [mkdir] Created dir: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\proto
> > > > [mkdir]
> > > > > > > >>> Created
> > > > > > > >>> >>> dir:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\messages
[mkdir] Created
> > dir:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\src
[mkdir] Created dir:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\test
[mkdir] Created dir:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\coverage
[mkdir] Created
> > dir:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > C:\TomsProjects\wave\dist
[mkdir] Created dir:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\staging
[mkdir] Created
> dir:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\dep
[mkdir] Created dir:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > C:\TomsProjects\wave\test_out
compile-proto-dep:
> > > > > compile-proto:
> > > > > > > >>> [javac]
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > Compiling 12 source files
to
> > > > C:\TomsProjects\wave\build\proto
> > > > > > > >>> [javac]
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> C:\TomsProjects\wave\proto_src\org\waveprotocol\box\attachment\Attac
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > hmentProto.java:344: warning:
[static] static method
> > > should
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > >>> >>> qualified by
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > type name, Builder, instead
of by an expression
> [javac]
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > super.addAll(values, result.attachment_);
[javac] ^
> > > [javac]
> > > > > > > error:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> warnings
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > found and -Werror specified
[javac]
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > >
> C:\TomsProjects\wave\proto_src\org\waveprotocol\box\common\comms\Wav
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > eClientRpc.java:990: warning:
[static] static method
> > > should
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > >>> >>> qualified by
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > type name, Builder, instead
of by an expression
> [javac]
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > super.addAll(values, result.waveletIdPrefix_);
> [javac]
> > ^
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > ...(and a lot of similiar
warnings ending in a ...
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >     [javac]         super.addAll(values,
> > > > > > > >>> result.removedContributor_);
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >     [javac]
^
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >     [javac] 1 error
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >     [javac] 40 warnings
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > BUILD FAILED
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml:100:
The following
> error
> > > > > > occurred
> > > > > > > >>> while
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > executing
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >  this line:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > C:\TomsProjects\wave\build-macros.xml:68:
Compile
> > failed;
> > > > see
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >>> >>> compiler
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > error
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >  output for details.
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > Total time: 12 seconds
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > ~~~
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > Thomas & Bertines online
review show:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > Try it! You might even feel
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > On 2 December 2013 21:03,
Yuri Z <vega113@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > I think the most up
to date installation guide is
> the
> > > > > README
> > > > > > > >>> file -
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > https://github.com/apache/wave/blob/trunk/README
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013
at 5:53 PM, Thomas Wrobel <
> > > > > > > >>> darkflame@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > Stuck #3:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > "ANT"
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > Buildfile: C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > check-test-dependencies:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > BUILD FAILED
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > C:\TomsProjects\wave\build.xml:259:
You need to
> > > execute
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > get-third-party
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > targ
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > et to download
dependencies required for tests
> > > > > compilation,
> > > > > > > >>> i.e.
> > > > > > > >>> >>> ant
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > get-third-p
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > arty. third_party/test/emma/emma_ant.jar
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > ~~~
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > Thomas & Bertines
online review show:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > Try it! You might
> :)
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > On 2 December
2013 15:13, Thomas Wrobel <
> > > > > > darkflame@gmail.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >  Note #2:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > Should be
> > with
> > > a
> > > > > link
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >>> the
> > > > > > > >>> >>> Java
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > site. (not
just JRE).
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > Note #3:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > Should be
clarified that the ANT command
> doesn't
> > > work
> > > > > in
> > > > > > XP
> > > > > > > >>> just
> > > > > > > >>> >>> by
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > adding
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > its path
to a "ANT" system variable.
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > The path
> > > > existing
> > > > > > > PATH
> > > > > > > >>> >>> system
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > variable.
(and it should be just to the "bin"
> > > > > directory,
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > >>> >>> \ant at
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > the
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > end shouldn't
be there.
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > People can
use "echo %PATH%" to check its added
> > ok.
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > (I will start
expanding/changing the guide as
> > soon
> > > > as I
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > >>> >>> write
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > permission,
although I will post changes first
> > here
> > > > as
> > > > > > > well,
> > > > > > > >>> in
> > > > > > > >>> >>> case
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > I
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > have
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > got something
wrong or its specific to XP and
> > Win7
> > > is
> > > > > > > treated
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > differently)
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > ~~~
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > Thomas &
Bertines online review show:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > Try it! You
might even feel ambivalent about it
> > :)
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > > On 2 December
2013 02:36, Ali Lown <
> > ali@lown.me.uk
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >> >
For the ant, do I just go for the route
> (that
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >>> "wave"
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > directory
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >> >
rather then the  "wave-protocol" one that
> > > doesn't
> > > > > > exist
> > > > > > > >>> now?
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >> Yes.
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> > >
> > > > > > > >>> >>> >
> > > > > > > >>> >>>
> > > > > > > >>> >>
> > > > > > > >>> >>
> > > > > > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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