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From Thomas Wrobel <>
Subject Re: Incubation status
Date Mon, 02 Dec 2013 16:01:26 GMT
"But for
that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be "

Is there really a lack of consensus here?
I think , imho, we have a consensus, just not the skill/time.

Thomas & Bertines online review show:
Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :)

On 2 December 2013 16:51, John Blossom <> wrote:

> Christian,
> Although I support the incubator's goals, it seems that there is probably a
> fundamental mismatch between the state of Apache Wave and where and how
> Wave needs to develop.
> I am one of the people who had to stand back from Wave a while back. I was
> enthusiastic about the possibility of Apache acting as a strong framework
> for Wave, but it seems that it's at the wrong stage of development to
> benefit from everything that Apache offers. I must also admit that the new
> Gmail inbox doesn't draw me to forum posts as much as it used to. The
> community tools of Apache aren't getting my attention, for whatever reason.
> Wave is trying to define lots of new bits of technology that don't
> necessarily have a fixed architecture yet or even a place in other fixed
> architectures. Months later, we're still at a point where we have a body of
> code that's still largely a specific user client rather than an agile
> development platform that can enable a wide variety of apps via a common
> set of communications and data management protocols and standards. Most
> importantly from my own perspective, it's not moved significantly towards
> an architecture that could be strongly mobile first with both synchronous
> and asynchronous publishing. So for me, it's not meeting the goals of what
> Wave 3.0 could be. At the same time you have initiatives like Motorola's
> Project Ara for open source mobile hardware development that would be ideal
> for some of the things that Wave could do in developing nations, as well as
> open source mobile OS initiatives, so open and mobile as a combination are
> progressing.
> I wish that I were still an active coder (sometimes), but I am not, and I
> am not going to be able to reach my goals without committed coders. But for
> that commitment, we need more consensus about what Wave should try to be in
> an increasingly crowded market for collaborative services. From that
> perspective, Wave seems to need a bit more direction than the Apache
> framework can manage at this point. There's not a body of code that meets a
> well defined market objective - that's a profile for success in Apache, it
> seems, looking at some of the other projects. Open or not, every platform
> must find a need and fill it.
> Finally, since commitment seems to be partially a factor of funding,
> perhaps a more independent project on Github (assuming that there are no
> remnant Google claims) might make it easier for independent teams to
> attract funding via crowdsourcing platforms once a more concrete goal has
> been defined. Once such a project met with some initial success, perhaps
> there could be a body of code that could be nurtured in the Apache
> framework at a later time.
> I am sorry to have dropped out of this loop, but I have had to focus on
> money-generating opportunities more intently, if I could balance that with
> Wave a bit more easily then it would be easier to focus, no doubt. But life
> goes on, and I know that Wave will always go on. If there are team members
> who feel that I can contribute positively in this transition, feel free to
> stay in touch.
> All the best,
> John Blossom
> email:
> phone: 203.293.8511
> google+:
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:02 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> >wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > it seems as the first steam with the new people is gone.
> >
> > I believe it makes sense to discuss if the incubator is the right place.
> > Incubation has a specific goal: forming a team which can do releases and
> > is - in a way - active.
> >
> > I see there is little activity at all. The only person i have seen
> working
> > on the codebase recently was Ali.
> > He also was the release manager of package which had trouble to receive
> > the necessary votes from its own team.
> >
> > My hope was this would change in the past months. But today I have only
> > little hope.
> >
> > Playing the devils advocate I ask you (again):
> >
> > Do you folks believe the incubator can ever be completed as it is now?
> >
> > If you believe yes, please let me know why or how we can achieve that
> goal.
> >
> > Otherwise my recommendation is to move Wave to GitHub and close the
> > incubation until the community around Wave has grown.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Christian
> >
> >
> > ---
> >
> > @grobmeier
> > GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
> >

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