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From "Frank R." <renfeng...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Incubation status
Date Sun, 01 Dec 2013 14:35:57 GMT
Perhaps, we can have a temporary robot, say incubator-bot, to publish waves
for a wave in a box server back to the mail list. That should be too
difficult to have.


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com> wrote:

> christian, from my observations of the project i would have to answer no,
> its not working out ?
>
> pardon my passion on this subject (@mailing list) but ive kept quiet for
> too long. id rather get an argument started on this rather then let wave
> die the slow death that it is currently facing. passion is what wave needs
> right now, not patience.
>
> i dont think moving wave to github or getting everyone to actually use wave
> will magically make everything better, but i think that is a step in the
> right direction that Should have been taken a long time ago.
>
> theres no reason that moving discussion to a wave server reduces the open
> nature of the discussion, as stated previously, its trivial to make an
> anonymous account to grant anyone access to this discussion if it was on a
> wave server. also anyone can register on a wave server and participate in
> the discussion if the wave has been setup properly, theres even a patch
> somewhere for rendering wave files as html files which would make it
> searchable by google and everyone esle.  federation should make propogating
> this data to multiple servers possible, using wave as the main discussion
> area maintains the openness , searchability, and also longevity of the
> discussion.
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On 29 Nov 2013, at 16:40, Fleeky Flanco wrote:
> >
> >  i really dont understand why i have to be explaining the usefullness of
> >> using wave to communicate with the people on this list. its kindof
> >> amazing.
> >>
> >
> > If you don't understand why we operate on a mailing list then you
> probably
> > have
> > not understood that the ASF tries to develop in an open way. All
> > discussions must held
> > public and must be archived for a long time. The only solution so far is
> > mailing lists.
> > Wave is simply not that far to provide that at the moment.
> >
> > Of course there is an opportunity to bring Wave to the ASF. But there are
> > a lot of requirements
> > to meet. If you want to develop here, you need to fulfill these
> > requirements.
> >
> > We have discussed that several times. Every of the committers understood
> > these requirements
> > and were working against them. However Wave is not there yet.
> >
> > This doesn't answer the question which was initially asked: is the ASF
> the
> > right place?
> > Or more precise: can we as a project ever succeed the incubator and
> become
> > an ASF project?
> >
> > This has nothing to do with the great technology behind Wave nor the
> > willingness of people.
> > It is: is there enough manpower to live the ASF way or not.
> >
> > Christian
> >
> >
> >
> >> fleeky
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Robert Brumbelow <
> rkbrumbelow@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >>  Fleeky, those are fine for us, they will do little for outside
> >>> exposure. I would suspect having to use wave in order to learn to use
> >>> wave might be self defeating.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Building+Wave+in+a+Box
> >>>>
> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Home
> >>>>
> >>>> also there is  #wiab on irc.freenode.net
> >>>>
> >>>> also Ali just a few emails up mentioned that you could start a
> >>>> discussion
> >>>> on his wave server , why not try those things first?  and if there is
> a
> >>>> problem, go to Ali's wave server and simply start a problems wave add
> >>>> the
> >>>> participant @domain to the wave and everyone inclduing Ali on that
> >>>> server
> >>>> should be able to see your problem wave, and maybe attempt to answer
> >>>> your
> >>>> problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> -fleeky
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Brumbelow <
> >>>> rkbrumbelow@gmail.com
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>  Thomas,
> >>>>>   Hangouts on air are the recorded versions of Google Hangouts,
> >>>>> they are streamed and recorded via Youtube. Screencasts, I thought,
> >>>>> also defaulted to being recorded.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know during my years of teaching, video was often preferred by
> >>>>> students simply because even in step by step instruction, aka hand
> >>>>> holding, there would be something glossed over, ignored or assumed
> >>>>> known by students or the teacher. Video shows every keystroke,
> command
> >>>>> and mouse movement
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Kelly Brumbelow
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> > ---
> > http://www.grobmeier.de
> > @grobmeier
> > GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
> >
>

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