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From Upayavira ...@odoko.co.uk>
Subject Re: [VOTE] To stay or not to stay
Date Tue, 10 Dec 2013 20:10:55 GMT
As I'm sure you can imagine, I've been thinking about this quite a bit
recently. If a project still has some life (and Wave does), really the
only other thing it needs to stay in the incubator is engaged mentors.
The mentors are the link between the podling and the ASF. 

For me, this vote is to gauge where the community wants to be. The last
thing I want to do is mentor a group of folks that actually want to be
elsewhere. If the collective decision (principally of the
committers/PPMC members) is to stay, then I'm happy to stay around and
see where we can take this project.

Upayavira

On Tue, Dec 10, 2013, at 08:03 PM, Pratik Paranjape wrote:
> How (or for how long) is this a choice? If WAIB  does not show
> improvement
> in the amount of activity, a mentor will be asking same question
> again...whether Wave is a suitable project for the incubator. The
> discussion started because Christian raised this question in the first
> place.  Based on past few months statistics, any significant improvement
> in
> activity will be a dramatic outcome and seems unlikely at this point.
> 
> On the other hand, I think Wave will survive even through long periods of
> inactivity as long as intellectual property stays openly accessible under
> permissible enough open source license. Moving away from Apache may
> actually breath some new direction. Unless we can guarantee significant
> activity improvemnent, we are just postponing the issue until next month.
> 
> Considering the questions of trademarks, I think it's going to be easy if
> whoever wants to implement new ideas makes a fork and takes it further.
> Or
> uses the ideas and completely redesign everything like Joseph is planning
> .
> In any case I think github can generate more activity, even if not as
> WAIB.
> What happens to trademarks of abandoned Incubator projects?
> On 11 Dec 2013 01:09, "Joseph Gentle" <josephg@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'm actually going to abstain.
> >
> > As you know, I want to run a kickstarter to create a new iteration of
> > wave. I won't reuse the current codebase, and I won't place the new
> > project with the ASF. This decision should be made by people who want
> > to keep working with the current code.
> >
> > -J
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Ryan Hill <rch@zndx.org> wrote:
> > > I vote stay, for what it's worth.
> > >
> > > I would have an easier time funding one or more developers if I know the
> > > resulting code would eventually reside under the Apache umbrella. Best of
> > > luck either way though.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >> It seems to me that the time has come to make a decision here, and for
> > >> now, I'm going to ask that we consider just one simple question:
> > >>
> > >>  * Should Wave stay within Apache, or leave.
> > >>
> > >> I'm going to ask that we postpone any discussion about either option
> > >> that isn't required to make the decision, until the vote is complete. If
> > >> discussion is to occur, please move it to a separate thread, to keep the
> > >> [VOTE] thread clean.
> > >>
> > >> I'm going to suggest that this vote runs for 72hrs, and that we aim for
> > >> consensus. Should anyone wish to change their vote based upon the votes
> > >> of others, that's fine, only your last vote will count.
> > >>
> > >> I'm going to suggest that for this vote to succeed, we'll need full
> > >> consensus of committers/PPMC members. Community votes are also very much
> > >> welcome, but committer/PPMC votes will be the ones that make up the
> > >> final tally.  If this vote does not receive a consensus, then the status
> > >> quo will continue until another event occurs to change it.
> > >>
> > >> I myself am not going to vote, as I see this as a vote for those who
> > >> feel ownership of the project and its codebase. I couldn't make an
> > >> impartial vote anyway.
> > >>
> > >> So, here's your chance to cast your votes:
> > >>
> > >> [  ] Wave should stay at Apache
> > >> [  ] Wave should leave Apache, and find a home elsewhere
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Upayavira
> > >>
> >

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