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From Zachary Yaro <zmy...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Incubation status
Date Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:58:18 GMT
FWIW, I agree with Fleeky.  Most of the extensions I have developed for
Rizzoma have been because a bug or missing feature annoys me regularly.  If
people used WIAB regularly, I think they would start to notice glaring and
subtle usability problems and be more inclined to fix them.

—Zachary Yaro


On 29 November 2013 17:55, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com> wrote:

> thomas,
>
> i dont think there has even been enough testing of wave to prove this one
> way or the other but the main point is that if we are all using wave for
> something that matters, it will piss someone off enough to actually start
> to fix things.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Thomas Wrobel <darkflame@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > So are you confirming then that Wave as it stands can (stably) take very
> > long discussion threads with lots of comments?
> >
> > I wasn't even aware the storage format of the current Wave builds was
> > final.
> > Maybe more has progressed in the last year then I was aware of.
> >
> >
> > ~~~
> > Thomas & Bertines online review show:
> > http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html
> > Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :)
> >
> >
> > On 29 November 2013 23:44, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > christian, from my observations of the project i would have to answer
> no,
> > > its not working out ?
> > >
> > > pardon my passion on this subject (@mailing list) but ive kept quiet
> for
> > > too long. id rather get an argument started on this rather then let
> wave
> > > die the slow death that it is currently facing. passion is what wave
> > needs
> > > right now, not patience.
> > >
> > > i dont think moving wave to github or getting everyone to actually use
> > wave
> > > will magically make everything better, but i think that is a step in
> the
> > > right direction that Should have been taken a long time ago.
> > >
> > > theres no reason that moving discussion to a wave server reduces the
> open
> > > nature of the discussion, as stated previously, its trivial to make an
> > > anonymous account to grant anyone access to this discussion if it was
> on
> > a
> > > wave server. also anyone can register on a wave server and participate
> in
> > > the discussion if the wave has been setup properly, theres even a patch
> > > somewhere for rendering wave files as html files which would make it
> > > searchable by google and everyone esle.  federation should make
> > propogating
> > > this data to multiple servers possible, using wave as the main
> discussion
> > > area maintains the openness , searchability, and also longevity of the
> > > discussion.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Christian Grobmeier <
> > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 29 Nov 2013, at 16:40, Fleeky Flanco wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  i really dont understand why i have to be explaining the usefullness
> > of
> > > >> using wave to communicate with the people on this list. its kindof
> > > >> amazing.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > If you don't understand why we operate on a mailing list then you
> > > probably
> > > > have
> > > > not understood that the ASF tries to develop in an open way. All
> > > > discussions must held
> > > > public and must be archived for a long time. The only solution so far
> > is
> > > > mailing lists.
> > > > Wave is simply not that far to provide that at the moment.
> > > >
> > > > Of course there is an opportunity to bring Wave to the ASF. But there
> > are
> > > > a lot of requirements
> > > > to meet. If you want to develop here, you need to fulfill these
> > > > requirements.
> > > >
> > > > We have discussed that several times. Every of the committers
> > understood
> > > > these requirements
> > > > and were working against them. However Wave is not there yet.
> > > >
> > > > This doesn't answer the question which was initially asked: is the
> ASF
> > > the
> > > > right place?
> > > > Or more precise: can we as a project ever succeed the incubator and
> > > become
> > > > an ASF project?
> > > >
> > > > This has nothing to do with the great technology behind Wave nor the
> > > > willingness of people.
> > > > It is: is there enough manpower to live the ASF way or not.
> > > >
> > > > Christian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> fleeky
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Robert Brumbelow <
> > > rkbrumbelow@gmail.com
> > > >> >wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>  Fleeky, those are fine for us, they will do little for outside
> > > >>> exposure. I would suspect having to use wave in order to learn
to
> use
> > > >>> wave might be self defeating.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Building+Wave+in+a+Box
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Home
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> also there is  #wiab on irc.freenode.net
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> also Ali just a few emails up mentioned that you could start
a
> > > >>>> discussion
> > > >>>> on his wave server , why not try those things first?  and
if there
> > is
> > > a
> > > >>>> problem, go to Ali's wave server and simply start a problems
wave
> > add
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>> participant @domain to the wave and everyone inclduing Ali
on that
> > > >>>> server
> > > >>>> should be able to see your problem wave, and maybe attempt
to
> answer
> > > >>>> your
> > > >>>> problem.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -fleeky
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Brumbelow <
> > > >>>> rkbrumbelow@gmail.com
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>  Thomas,
> > > >>>>>   Hangouts on air are the recorded versions of Google
Hangouts,
> > > >>>>> they are streamed and recorded via Youtube. Screencasts,
I
> thought,
> > > >>>>> also defaulted to being recorded.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I know during my years of teaching, video was often preferred
by
> > > >>>>> students simply because even in step by step instruction,
aka
> hand
> > > >>>>> holding, there would be something glossed over, ignored
or
> assumed
> > > >>>>> known by students or the teacher. Video shows every keystroke,
> > > command
> > > >>>>> and mouse movement
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Kelly Brumbelow
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > http://www.grobmeier.de
> > > > @grobmeier
> > > > GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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