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From Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Incubation status
Date Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:10:13 GMT
ok , what i would like to know.

who among you on this mailing list is actually using wave in some capacity
? and for what ? do you run your own wave server ? if not why ?

personally i run my own wave server, and use it mainly as a google doc
replacement.

robert, first off which people are you talking about ? people on this list
? or the general populace? if people on this list are too scared to dip
there toes into something that may have a few bugs then we are certainly
doomed.

robert, you are right but you are also wrong, your right in that the way
your talking about is nice and orderly and logical. the problem is ,
expecting all of that will never happen unless you personally do so. what i
am proposing is for people to get there hands dirty in any way possible.
can you code? great wave needs coders more then anything. but if you cant
code, you can atleast use wave and get an idea for what works and what
doesnt, what the bugs are, wave needs people to use it just as much as it
needs people to make code for it at this point.

get your hands dirty, thats all im asking

also to answer your question : I DO draw in new users, maybe not at the
level or speed any of you deem worthy, but i use wave to share documents
with people. as i said i make a dummy account and then  have my friends use
it to view a document id like them to look at. is it ideal? not at all, but
then again wave is not at a point in its software development for there to
be anything like an ideal.

the point is to use , and to figure out how it can be usefull in its
current state, rather then bickering about what it needs to be everyone's
dream software.



On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Robert Brumbelow <rkbrumbelow@gmail.com>wrote:

> Fleeky,
>
> "i really dont understand why i have to be explaining the usefullness of
> using wave to communicate with the people on this list. its kindof
> amazing." [sic]
>
> Probably because you have flawed presuppositions.
>
> I assume people who have never seen Wave have never seen Wave, not
> that they know how to use it. When teaching someone to drive a car, I
> have them observe, read, study, and after they have done the
> prerequisites I would put them in a training car.
>
> People want to see what Wave can do before they jump in and use it
> frequently.
>
> I am glad you have done all these things on your own, but tell me how
> is having done them yourself drawing in new users and developers along
> with generating interest? It may be happening, I don't see it.
>
> I am not talking about dogfooding, I am talking about intro and basic
> training so people can get up to speed.
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com> wrote:
> > robert if using wave to learn wave is self defeating , i think wave the
> > purpose of wave has been lost.
> >
> > wave is a communications platform, if it cant communicate how to use
> itself
> > doesnt that seem a bit silly?
> >
> > an ideal situation would be publicly viewable waves that are potentially
> > read only , or parts are (wave could use permissions).
> >
> > but a more realistic way that i use on my own server is to have an
> > anonymous account. this way you tell people to login via that and they
> can
> > interact with the waves you have shared with that account.
> >
> > i really dont understand why i have to be explaining the usefullness of
> > using wave to communicate with the people on this list. its kindof
> amazing.
> >
> > fleeky
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Robert Brumbelow <rkbrumbelow@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Fleeky, those are fine for us, they will do little for outside
> >> exposure. I would suspect having to use wave in order to learn to use
> >> wave might be self defeating.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Building+Wave+in+a+Box
> >> >
> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Home
> >> >
> >> > also there is  #wiab on irc.freenode.net
> >> >
> >> > also Ali just a few emails up mentioned that you could start a
> discussion
> >> > on his wave server , why not try those things first?  and if there is
> a
> >> > problem, go to Ali's wave server and simply start a problems wave add
> the
> >> > participant @domain to the wave and everyone inclduing Ali on that
> server
> >> > should be able to see your problem wave, and maybe attempt to answer
> your
> >> > problem.
> >> >
> >> > -fleeky
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Brumbelow <
> rkbrumbelow@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Thomas,
> >> >>      Hangouts on air are the recorded versions of Google Hangouts,
> >> >> they are streamed and recorded via Youtube. Screencasts, I thought,
> >> >> also defaulted to being recorded.
> >> >>
> >> >> I know during my years of teaching, video was often preferred by
> >> >> students simply because even in step by step instruction, aka hand
> >> >> holding, there would be something glossed over, ignored or assumed
> >> >> known by students or the teacher. Video shows every keystroke,
> command
> >> >> and mouse movement
> >> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kelly Brumbelow
> >>
>
>
>
> --
> Kelly Brumbelow
>

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