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From Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Incubation status
Date Fri, 29 Nov 2013 22:55:54 GMT
thomas,

i dont think there has even been enough testing of wave to prove this one
way or the other but the main point is that if we are all using wave for
something that matters, it will piss someone off enough to actually start
to fix things.



On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 11:53 PM, Thomas Wrobel <darkflame@gmail.com> wrote:

> So are you confirming then that Wave as it stands can (stably) take very
> long discussion threads with lots of comments?
>
> I wasn't even aware the storage format of the current Wave builds was
> final.
> Maybe more has progressed in the last year then I was aware of.
>
>
> ~~~
> Thomas & Bertines online review show:
> http://randomreviewshow.com/index.html
> Try it! You might even feel ambivalent about it :)
>
>
> On 29 November 2013 23:44, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > christian, from my observations of the project i would have to answer no,
> > its not working out ?
> >
> > pardon my passion on this subject (@mailing list) but ive kept quiet for
> > too long. id rather get an argument started on this rather then let wave
> > die the slow death that it is currently facing. passion is what wave
> needs
> > right now, not patience.
> >
> > i dont think moving wave to github or getting everyone to actually use
> wave
> > will magically make everything better, but i think that is a step in the
> > right direction that Should have been taken a long time ago.
> >
> > theres no reason that moving discussion to a wave server reduces the open
> > nature of the discussion, as stated previously, its trivial to make an
> > anonymous account to grant anyone access to this discussion if it was on
> a
> > wave server. also anyone can register on a wave server and participate in
> > the discussion if the wave has been setup properly, theres even a patch
> > somewhere for rendering wave files as html files which would make it
> > searchable by google and everyone esle.  federation should make
> propogating
> > this data to multiple servers possible, using wave as the main discussion
> > area maintains the openness , searchability, and also longevity of the
> > discussion.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Christian Grobmeier <
> grobmeier@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > On 29 Nov 2013, at 16:40, Fleeky Flanco wrote:
> > >
> > >  i really dont understand why i have to be explaining the usefullness
> of
> > >> using wave to communicate with the people on this list. its kindof
> > >> amazing.
> > >>
> > >
> > > If you don't understand why we operate on a mailing list then you
> > probably
> > > have
> > > not understood that the ASF tries to develop in an open way. All
> > > discussions must held
> > > public and must be archived for a long time. The only solution so far
> is
> > > mailing lists.
> > > Wave is simply not that far to provide that at the moment.
> > >
> > > Of course there is an opportunity to bring Wave to the ASF. But there
> are
> > > a lot of requirements
> > > to meet. If you want to develop here, you need to fulfill these
> > > requirements.
> > >
> > > We have discussed that several times. Every of the committers
> understood
> > > these requirements
> > > and were working against them. However Wave is not there yet.
> > >
> > > This doesn't answer the question which was initially asked: is the ASF
> > the
> > > right place?
> > > Or more precise: can we as a project ever succeed the incubator and
> > become
> > > an ASF project?
> > >
> > > This has nothing to do with the great technology behind Wave nor the
> > > willingness of people.
> > > It is: is there enough manpower to live the ASF way or not.
> > >
> > > Christian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> fleeky
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Robert Brumbelow <
> > rkbrumbelow@gmail.com
> > >> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >>  Fleeky, those are fine for us, they will do little for outside
> > >>> exposure. I would suspect having to use wave in order to learn to use
> > >>> wave might be self defeating.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 10:05 AM, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Building+Wave+in+a+Box
> > >>>>
> > >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WAVE/Home
> > >>>>
> > >>>> also there is  #wiab on irc.freenode.net
> > >>>>
> > >>>> also Ali just a few emails up mentioned that you could start a
> > >>>> discussion
> > >>>> on his wave server , why not try those things first?  and if there
> is
> > a
> > >>>> problem, go to Ali's wave server and simply start a problems wave
> add
> > >>>> the
> > >>>> participant @domain to the wave and everyone inclduing Ali on that
> > >>>> server
> > >>>> should be able to see your problem wave, and maybe attempt to answer
> > >>>> your
> > >>>> problem.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -fleeky
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Robert Brumbelow <
> > >>>> rkbrumbelow@gmail.com
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Thomas,
> > >>>>>   Hangouts on air are the recorded versions of Google Hangouts,
> > >>>>> they are streamed and recorded via Youtube. Screencasts, I
thought,
> > >>>>> also defaulted to being recorded.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I know during my years of teaching, video was often preferred
by
> > >>>>> students simply because even in step by step instruction, aka
hand
> > >>>>> holding, there would be something glossed over, ignored or
assumed
> > >>>>> known by students or the teacher. Video shows every keystroke,
> > command
> > >>>>> and mouse movement
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Kelly Brumbelow
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > > ---
> > > http://www.grobmeier.de
> > > @grobmeier
> > > GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
> > >
> >
>

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