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From John Blossom <>
Subject Re: Wave and OpenOffice
Date Sat, 15 Jun 2013 17:54:30 GMT
Thanks, Fleeky, that's useful feedback. I, too, tried to use Wave as a
document development tool and it's powerful in some ways, but the raw
interface didn't always adapt itself well for final presentations. It was
doable, though. For example, I gave a talk at a conference about Wave using
Wave as the slide set - I just advanced from one blip to another to turn
slides. Not ideal, but it worked. So put that same data paradigm behind a
slide presentation UI, and use one tool to talk about ideas, collaborate on
them and then present them through an OpenOffice slide presenter. And so on.

I think that there are at least a few UIs that we can use for an open Wave
UI set:

- native demo interface - exercise all of Wave's features for PC Web and
mobile Web environments
- Email replacement - use presentation-layer adapters on Wave protocol to
provide native-like email support but which can also view the underlying
data via more powerful UIs
- OpenOffice for Wave - productivity tools for print-oriented presentation
- Blogging - root blip for rich text posts, trailing blips for comments,
with formatting a la other blogging environments
- Chat/Hangout - person-to-person text streams - again, as with other UIs,
you can use other UIs on the same data set to collaborate more richly
- Collaborative tool replacement - a bit like, perhaps, though I
think that their metaphors are quite limited

Obviously we have to walk before we can run, but hopefully this stimulates
some thinking.



On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Fleeky Flanco <> wrote:

> john, i was infact using wave as a google docs replacement for a while it
> worked pretty good the only problem i had with it was that i couldnt
> 'publish' static updates to a front facing page to share with people who
> didnt feel like registering on my wave server.
> an openoffice for wave would be extremely usefull, and could have an
> extremely large impact imo. wave is also already very very close to having
> this funcitonality. etherpad lite sortof already does this, but i kept
> going back to wave because it was actually more responsive, featurefull,
> and actually crashed less.
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 9:29 AM, John Blossom <> wrote:
> > I had the down-the-road thought just now that I wanted to put into
> > circulation before I forgot about it.
> >
> > One of the challenges that we will face in developing open source Wave is
> > that Google and others - but mostly Google - are out there using
> > operational transform technologies also. So far the Google Drive Realtime
> > API hasn't had much impact, but it's being "demoed" successfully in Drive
> > apps like Docs and Presentations.
> >
> > The advantages of an open source Wave implementation are, of course, that
> > people can own their own data and identity management without having to
> > rely on a specific vendor's infrastructure. But the flip side of that is
> > that you have to look carefully at infrastructure that integrates OT and
> > understand what you have to do similarly to showcase your technologies.
> >
> > That brings me to OpenOffice. At some point it will be beneficial to
> > consider how the Wave API can enable apps in the OpenOffice suite to take
> > advantage of OT technologies in Wave and its other various features. In
> > fact, it's not unthinkable that an OpenOffice for Wave variant might not
> be
> > feasible at some point, maintaining a familiar office automation paradigm
> > as a user interface for those who relate to that sort of tool but having
> > the power of Wave to drive collaborative document editing, comments,
> > embedded apps and so on, with Wave data structures underneath the OO
> > interface.
> >
> > Just idle thoughts for now, but if we make good progress over the next
> > several months, it's a sub-project that may help to attract more
> developers
> > to Wave technologies.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > John Blossom
> >

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