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From Bruno Gonzalez <sten...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Mailing Lists vs Wave
Date Fri, 31 May 2013 16:45:57 GMT
Waveinabox.net is being run in debug mode, probably because yuri was
testing new stuff, debugging some problem, working on wiab code. This has
also happened several times in the past, though historically I think it's
been stable more often than it's been unstable.


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com> wrote:

> Christian , i just tried to make a new account on waveinabox.net, that
> worked fine but upon trying to make a new wave it keeps crashing over and
> over. so atm waveinabox.net is unusable for me, so actually im really glad
> you made the suggestion to use it because it seems like there are some bugs
> to work out of it.
>
> curiously the server i run crashes but not nearly as badly as
> waveinabox.net.
>
>
> For me i dont care which wave server this runs on (although i do want it to
> be a pure implementation rather than kune or rizzoma) using the tool we are
> all interested to actually communicate is what interests me.
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > If there were enough impetus, I'd be able to get a test mailing list set
> > up, it isn't hard. It would be good to not pollute this list with lots
> > of test emails early on.
> >
> > Upayavira
> >
> > On Fri, May 31, 2013, at 02:20 PM, Alfredo Abambres wrote:
> > > Thanks Christian, Bruno and Yuri for your feedback.
> > >
> > > It seems that all other basic conditions are set (or possible) to make
> a
> > > pretty good test case.
> > >
> > > Now, if someone could find the time, energy and motivation to make this
> > > happen some of us are eager to help.
> > >
> > > Btw, found other links from previous "bridge" implementations:
> > >
> > > http://emaily.dlux.hu/
> > > https://code.google.com/p/emaily/
> > >
> > >
> > > http://alfredo.abambres.com
> > >
> > > *"Moving, always moving, and living inside movement". Rainer Maria
> Rilke*
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Yuri Z <vega113@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Robots API works fine with about ~90% functionality implemented
> > compared to
> > > > Google Wave Robot API.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Bruno Gonzalez <stenyak@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Christian Grobmeier <
> > > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Alfredo Abambres
> > > > > > > I know that is easier said than done. But if we have the
chance
> > to
> > > > find
> > > > > > out
> > > > > > > if this is possible, we should grab it, don't you think?
Would
> > you
> > > > help
> > > > > > us
> > > > > > > find out if this is possible?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats surely possible. Basically you can allow specific senders
> to
> > > > > > post to the mailinglist.
> > > > > > We do something like that with Jira already. My guess is, one
> would
> > > > > > just need to maintain
> > > > > > some kind of message ids to keep a message thread intact.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It looks like a good way to implement this would be a wave robot,
> > but I'm
> > > > > not sure what's the status of robots at the moment in WiaB.
> > > > > For starters, we could hardcode everything for our specific use
> case,
> > > > which
> > > > > is *this* mailing list, one specific robot instance, and one
> specific
> > > > email
> > > > > thread / wave thread.
> > > > >
> > > > > The usage outline would be:
> > > > >  - Create a wave in a wiab provider.
> > > > >  - Add apache-wave-to-wiab@wiab.provider.com to the wave.
> > > > >   - Add apache-wave-to-wiab@gmail.com to this mailing list.
> > > > >
> > > > > For starters, the bot will simply listen for all new blips, and
> send
> > an
> > > > > email for each of them, via gmail SMTP server, to
> > > > > apache-dev@incubator.apache.org (or any other mailing list really,
> > this
> > > > is
> > > > > just for development testing), with a hardcoded thread subject "bot
> > > > test".
> > > > > That way we can test that whatever happens in wave, can reach a
> > mailing
> > > > > list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then we have to do the reverse: have a daemon (or something...)
> > listening
> > > > > to the gmail POP/IMAP server, and for each email it receives,
> somehow
> > > > tell
> > > > > the bot to create append a new blip to the wave.
> > > > >
> > > > > Once that's working, we can worry about correct placement of blips,
> > and
> > > > > correct email headers (so that the conversation tree structure
> isn't
> > > > lost).
> > > > > Then we can figure out a way to set up the bot, so that we can use
> > > > multiple
> > > > > waves and multiple email threads (each with their own email subject
> > and
> > > > > wave ID).
> > > > > Continue generalizing until we can use it for apache-wave
> > discussions, or
> > > > > until anyone can use it in any arbitrary mailing list.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now the question is... words are nice, but the question as usual
> is,
> > > > who's
> > > > > willing and has enough time to code it? :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > A while ago I was working on an RSS reader for wave. The concept
is
> > very
> > > > > similar to what I just explained, only difference is that RSS is
> > > > > unidirectional, while a mailing list is bidirectional. However the
> > code
> > > > is
> > > > > simple enough and functional (I think I even got to the point where
> > the
> > > > RSS
> > > > > url was configurable by user from the wave itself), so maybe it can
> > be
> > > > > taken as a starting point for the mailinglist-gateway:
> > > > > https://github.com/stenyak/bagareader
> > > > > Feel free to fork or do whatever, as long as you respect the Affero
> > GPL
> > > > v3
> > > > > license.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Saludos,
> > > > >      Bruno González
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > Jabber: stenyak AT gmail.com
> > > > > http://www.stenyak.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>



-- 
Saludos,
     Bruno González

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