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From Fleeky Flanco <fle...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Mailing Lists vs Wave
Date Fri, 31 May 2013 16:48:41 GMT
in that case, could there be a debug server and an official server?


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Bruno Gonzalez <stenyak@gmail.com> wrote:

> Waveinabox.net is being run in debug mode, probably because yuri was
> testing new stuff, debugging some problem, working on wiab code. This has
> also happened several times in the past, though historically I think it's
> been stable more often than it's been unstable.
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 6:32 PM, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Christian , i just tried to make a new account on waveinabox.net, that
> > worked fine but upon trying to make a new wave it keeps crashing over and
> > over. so atm waveinabox.net is unusable for me, so actually im really
> glad
> > you made the suggestion to use it because it seems like there are some
> bugs
> > to work out of it.
> >
> > curiously the server i run crashes but not nearly as badly as
> > waveinabox.net.
> >
> >
> > For me i dont care which wave server this runs on (although i do want it
> to
> > be a pure implementation rather than kune or rizzoma) using the tool we
> are
> > all interested to actually communicate is what interests me.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > If there were enough impetus, I'd be able to get a test mailing list
> set
> > > up, it isn't hard. It would be good to not pollute this list with lots
> > > of test emails early on.
> > >
> > > Upayavira
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 31, 2013, at 02:20 PM, Alfredo Abambres wrote:
> > > > Thanks Christian, Bruno and Yuri for your feedback.
> > > >
> > > > It seems that all other basic conditions are set (or possible) to
> make
> > a
> > > > pretty good test case.
> > > >
> > > > Now, if someone could find the time, energy and motivation to make
> this
> > > > happen some of us are eager to help.
> > > >
> > > > Btw, found other links from previous "bridge" implementations:
> > > >
> > > > http://emaily.dlux.hu/
> > > > https://code.google.com/p/emaily/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://alfredo.abambres.com
> > > >
> > > > *"Moving, always moving, and living inside movement". Rainer Maria
> > Rilke*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:57 PM, Yuri Z <vega113@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Robots API works fine with about ~90% functionality implemented
> > > compared to
> > > > > Google Wave Robot API.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Bruno Gonzalez <stenyak@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Christian Grobmeier <
> > > > > grobmeier@gmail.com
> > > > > > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:36 PM, Alfredo Abambres
> > > > > > > > I know that is easier said than done. But if we have
the
> chance
> > > to
> > > > > find
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > if this is possible, we should grab it, don't you
think?
> Would
> > > you
> > > > > help
> > > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > find out if this is possible?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thats surely possible. Basically you can allow specific
senders
> > to
> > > > > > > post to the mailinglist.
> > > > > > > We do something like that with Jira already. My guess is,
one
> > would
> > > > > > > just need to maintain
> > > > > > > some kind of message ids to keep a message thread intact.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It looks like a good way to implement this would be a wave robot,
> > > but I'm
> > > > > > not sure what's the status of robots at the moment in WiaB.
> > > > > > For starters, we could hardcode everything for our specific
use
> > case,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > is *this* mailing list, one specific robot instance, and one
> > specific
> > > > > email
> > > > > > thread / wave thread.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The usage outline would be:
> > > > > >  - Create a wave in a wiab provider.
> > > > > >  - Add apache-wave-to-wiab@wiab.provider.com to the wave.
> > > > > >   - Add apache-wave-to-wiab@gmail.com to this mailing list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For starters, the bot will simply listen for all new blips,
and
> > send
> > > an
> > > > > > email for each of them, via gmail SMTP server, to
> > > > > > apache-dev@incubator.apache.org (or any other mailing list
> really,
> > > this
> > > > > is
> > > > > > just for development testing), with a hardcoded thread subject
> "bot
> > > > > test".
> > > > > > That way we can test that whatever happens in wave, can reach
a
> > > mailing
> > > > > > list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then we have to do the reverse: have a daemon (or something...)
> > > listening
> > > > > > to the gmail POP/IMAP server, and for each email it receives,
> > somehow
> > > > > tell
> > > > > > the bot to create append a new blip to the wave.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Once that's working, we can worry about correct placement of
> blips,
> > > and
> > > > > > correct email headers (so that the conversation tree structure
> > isn't
> > > > > lost).
> > > > > > Then we can figure out a way to set up the bot, so that we can
> use
> > > > > multiple
> > > > > > waves and multiple email threads (each with their own email
> subject
> > > and
> > > > > > wave ID).
> > > > > > Continue generalizing until we can use it for apache-wave
> > > discussions, or
> > > > > > until anyone can use it in any arbitrary mailing list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now the question is... words are nice, but the question as usual
> > is,
> > > > > who's
> > > > > > willing and has enough time to code it? :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A while ago I was working on an RSS reader for wave. The concept
> is
> > > very
> > > > > > similar to what I just explained, only difference is that RSS
is
> > > > > > unidirectional, while a mailing list is bidirectional. However
> the
> > > code
> > > > > is
> > > > > > simple enough and functional (I think I even got to the point
> where
> > > the
> > > > > RSS
> > > > > > url was configurable by user from the wave itself), so maybe
it
> can
> > > be
> > > > > > taken as a starting point for the mailinglist-gateway:
> > > > > > https://github.com/stenyak/bagareader
> > > > > > Feel free to fork or do whatever, as long as you respect the
> Affero
> > > GPL
> > > > > v3
> > > > > > license.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Saludos,
> > > > > >      Bruno González
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > Jabber: stenyak AT gmail.com
> > > > > > http://www.stenyak.com
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Saludos,
>      Bruno González
>
> _______________________________________________
> Jabber: stenyak AT gmail.com
> http://www.stenyak.com
>

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