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From Alfredo Abambres <>
Subject Re: Mailing Lists vs Wave
Date Fri, 31 May 2013 11:36:13 GMT
Thanks Christian.

«if it doesn't happen on list, it didn't happen.» completely agreed, this
is Apache Wave, this is ASF rules.

Upayavira already explained most of the reasons the mailing lists are used
on the first reply to this discussion.

That's why some of us are trying to figure it out if it isn't possible to
make a bridge: to continue to use the mailing list and have them updated
via a Wave client instead of a mail client. So everything would remain
"oldschool" on the visible/public side, but the tool we used to interact
with it would be of our own choice.

I know that is easier said than done. But if we have the chance to find out
if this is possible, we should grab it, don't you think? Would you help us
find out if this is possible?

Unfortunately all this can only be built and tested if someone with the
right skills (engineering/coding skills) step up. Until then it's just an
idea, a great one but... just an idea.

BTW, even if someone decides to build such a "bridge", how would it be
tested? We cannot mess with the public/official mailing list? Would it be
possible to have a "test mailing list"?

Wave On.

*"Moving, always moving, and living inside movement". Rainer Maria Rilke*

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Christian Grobmeier

> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Alfredo Abambres
> <> wrote:
> > On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Fleeky Flanco <> wrote:
> >
> >> i am just going to go ahead and start a wave on my own wave server that
> >> will be a brainstorm and discussion area for wave. if anyone wants to
> join
> >> up its at i am if you register on
> it
> >> and tell me your username ill add you to that wave.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks for your suggestion,
> > but wouldn't be better to use
> ><> for
> > that purpose? It's the demo server/client listed on the Apache Wave site,
> > some of us are already there and I think some discussions already happen
> > there (mostly feedback on the WIAB client).
> >
> > I personally don't use it much (I spend more time on Rizzoma - sorry)...
> > but if the idea is too centralize and engage more people, that (
> > <>) would
> be a
> > better choice. What do you think?
> Developing software within Apache does mean we are accepting some
> basic rules the way we work. One is for example to use ASF
> infrastructure. This will enable us to keep information, even when
> others shut down their services. It is possible for every interested
> person to follow the track from beginning to the end. To say it more
> drastically (quoted from I think Roy Fielding): "what didn't happen on
> list, didn't happen".
> In other terms: we need to keep all our discussing on the mailing
> lists. Some people may not want to create an account at Rizzoma. Some
> others may want to follow Wave, without really using it. It sounds
> paradox, but there are a few people concerned on the foundation
> itself. They are required to read some information easily, for exmaple
> when it comes to trademarking problems. We need to give that
> information without hassle and without requiring them to learn a new
> tool.
> There are a tons of reasons to keep the discussions on ASF infra and
> mailing lists in general. I do not want to advocate or defend the old
> mailinglists. I am just saying, ml's have been utilized long before I
> joined the ASF and despite some efforts, they have turned out to be
> stable and loved. There were even ideas to accept HTML emails blocked.
> Unlike you want to start a huge and most likely unsuccessful
> discussion with infra/board/other parties, I suggest we utilize
> mailing lists for all discussion on Apache Wave.
> Of course, nobody will "forbid" you to utilize other tools, but please
> remember: if it doesn't happen on list, it didn't happen.
> Besides discussion, all votes and decisions need to be public
> accessible on ASF mailing lists.
> Sorry for sounding so oldschool; but it's really required.
> Cheers
> Christian
> > A <>lfredo
> >
> > *"Moving, always moving, and living inside movement". Rainer Maria Rilke*
> --

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