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From Thomas Wrobel <darkfl...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Need help evaluating wave for a project
Date Thu, 04 Apr 2013 18:50:50 GMT
In theory its perfectly possible to build a wave client without using GWT -
you can even have a non-browser based client. Pre-apache there was Android
native prototypes, for example.

However, I believe the interface between the server and client is probably
going to change. At least, last time I inquired there was a roadmap for a
new client/server protocol but no one assigned to it. That was over two
years ago though.

 I have inquired a few times about how to make my own independent client
(analogous to a email client) and have been directed to use the DataAPI
rather then connecting directly like the GWT client would. This was
unacceptable for my use case, but it might be ok for yours.

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On 4 April 2013 20:16, Willie Slepecki <scphantm@gmail.com> wrote:

> If im reading the documents right, the federation system is the transport
> system between two wave servers.  in laymans terms, its waves version of
> SMTP, basically where google tried replacing email servers.  that part i
> have no interest in (at this time), maybe in the future i will want the
> ability to move a wavelet between my cloud and a clients local cloud but
> thats so far down the road, its not worth looking at right now.
>
> no, what im talking about is the push pull event bus between the UI and the
> server.  The event bus that allows save on key stroke, reaplay (when
> rebuilt) and concurrent editing of documents, concurrent group
> collaboration between people in concurrent editing of documents, etc.  Is
> the heart of that system build outside of GWT and GWT simply accesses it or
> does that part of the system live entirely in GWT.  Its a distinction that
> makes a big difference in what im doing and im still trying to figure out
> which way is up on this thing.
>
> thanks
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Yuri Z <vega113@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you refer to the Wave Federation Protocol, then yes it is implemented
> as
> > part of the server. However, federation wasn't tested for a while...
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Willie Slepecki <scphantm@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ok, i see what you are doing now.  Well that fits into what i wanted to
> > do
> > > very well.  I don't want my system to be built around wave, i want wave
> > to
> > > be a component of a much larger system.  In order to do that I will
> pull
> > > this apart into more fine grained modules and be able to use those
> > modules
> > > at will within the rest of the system.
> > >
> > > What about the event bus that was so touted when this was released.  is
> > > that part of the protocol that was released or is that built into the
> GWT
> > > interface that your team built?
> > >
> > > Lastly, is the protocol itself functional?  meaning i intend to fork
> this
> > > and redevelop a large chunk of it in scala to make other parts of my
> life
> > > easier.  If i do that at this point in time am i going to find some
> major
> > > release in 8 months that brings a major system back online that by that
> > > point would be completely incompatible with my code base?
> > >
> > > thanks for your help
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:36 AM, Yuri Z <vega113@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > > Google did not open the source of original Google Wave, but instead
> it
> > > > created a stand alone open source implementation, with some core
> parts
> >  -
> > > > like the OT implementation - being ported as is. But the client was
> > > rebuilt
> > > > from the scratch.
> > > > The current implementation saves all the deltas, so it is possible to
> > > > implement the feature to replay the wave state to some earlier
> > condition,
> > > > however it is not implemented yet.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Willie Slepecki <scphantm@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > is the history replay in the old code repo and just hasn't been
> > ported
> > > > yet
> > > > > or did google not release it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have been looking at the code for several hours now.  its in
> pretty
> > > > rough
> > > > > shape but good enough to run i guess. I had to fix several issues
> in
> > > the
> > > > > code to get it to compile but it appears to be compiling correctly
> > now.
> > > >  im
> > > > > not very interested in trying to get it to run yet, i just want to
> > see
> > > > how
> > > > > its packaged.
> > > > >
> > > > > but im starting to feel my way around it.  i finally found the gwt
> > > > > interface and have been pulling that apart.  im mainly trying to
> > > > determine
> > > > > if they implemented the event bus for the save on change as a
> client
> > > > system
> > > > > or a server system.  right now it looks like both.  but i will
> still
> > > play
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:54 AM, Yuri Z <vega113@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > You can find the source code at
> > > > > > http://incubator.apache.org/wave/source-code.html
> > > > > > The current implementation supports concurrent edition of the
> > > document
> > > > by
> > > > > > several users, but there's no implementation for history replay.
> > > > > > You can take a look at demo server: waveinabox.net
> > > > > > Regarding your needs - if you only need to support real time
> > > concurrent
> > > > > > editing, then you might also take a look at ShareJS
> > > > > > <http://sharejs.org/>project
> > > > > > or Google Realtime API <
> > > https://developers.google.com/drive/realtime/>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:52 AM, Willie Slepecki <
> > scphantm@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am looking into building a sort of collaborative document
> > > > management
> > > > > > > application.  I remembered wave from the google beta days
and I
> > > > > remember
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > having two features that just astonished me, two features
that
> > > could
> > > > > > > complete my design for this new CMS system im designing.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > the first feature was its concurrent editing of a document.
 I
> > > > remember
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > presenter creating a new wave, indicating that it was a
> document,
> > > > not a
> > > > > > > message, sharing it with other users, and then like 6 people
> > > started
> > > > > > > editing the document in different languages at different
> > locations,
> > > > at
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > same time.  I remember the presenter talking about the
control
> > bus
> > > > that
> > > > > > > made that possible and how it was that single feature that
took
> > the
> > > > > > longest
> > > > > > > to get right
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The second feature was the history replay.  he was able
to pull
> > up
> > > a
> > > > > > > document and click some kind of history button and a time
bar
> > > similar
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > windows media players showed up, he was then able to slide
the
> > bar
> > > > all
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > way to the left to an empty document and replay each and
every
> > > change
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > happened to that document one at a time until all modifications
> > > > > > culminated
> > > > > > > into the present state of the document.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My memory is fuzzy so i may have gotten the fine details
wrong,
> > but
> > > > the
> > > > > > > essence of what those features were are here.  My question
is
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > apache
> > > > > > > version of this thing, what are the status of those two
> features,
> > > > what
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > the plans for them, and where would i find them in the
old
> google
> > > > code
> > > > > if
> > > > > > > they havn't been migrated over yet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanks guys
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > You want it fast, cheap, or right.  Pick two!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > You want it fast, cheap, or right.  Pick two!!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > You want it fast, cheap, or right.  Pick two!!
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> You want it fast, cheap, or right.  Pick two!!
>

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