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From Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Incubator PMC/Board report for Mar 2013 ([ppmc])
Date Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:36:51 GMT
Hi Fleeky,

On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Fleeky Flanco <fleeky@gmail.com> wrote:
> hi, just wanted to chime in and say hello.
>
> not a developer yet, but one idea i am curious about. is there a way to do
> public waves so you could for instance have discussion like this mailing
> list visible to anyone on the web but they would view the wave and not just
> an email list?
>
> just a thought for displaying the usefullness of wave.

while this is certainly an interesting idea, it is unlikely in short
term. Not only because there is some work left in Wave, but also that
the whole ASF business runs on top of mailinglists. There is a phrase
around which is like "if it didn't happen on list, it didn't happen".
Mailing lists are archived and serve for documentation purposes. In
addition it is a medium really everybody can use easily. I can hear a
lot of people arguing against your idea - i have seen this a few times
when somebody asked to allow HTML-emails.

That said, if Wave could write back to mailinglists and read from
them, it might serve as an additional client. Not sure if Wave would
ever support things like that, i think it is out of scope for the
project. But if it would, I can imagine that there might be a chance
to discuss it. Infra would surely have a lot of requirements, but
basically it could be discussed.

Cheers + and keep on contributing to Wave
Christian

> -fleeky
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Great report Ali. I added it to the wiki.
>>
>> Please let me know your wiki name, and I will give you karma to edit
>> it yourself (offer is open for anybody else here too)
>>
>> @Upayavira: i have signed it, even when not being a mentor. If you see
>> this mail in time, you can remove my signature and add yours.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Christian
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:15 PM, Ali Lown <ali@lown.me.uk> wrote:
>> > If someone else could edit the wiki (I can't, I haven't got edit
>> > access to the wiki), then here is a report until Michael/anybody else
>> > edits/replaces it.
>> >
>> > Three most important issues to address in the move towards graduation:
>> >
>> >   1. Make a release (stalled).
>> > The licensing issues have been resolved, and build scripts have been
>> > put into the repository. Documentation (see 2) is missing, after which
>> > point we can finalize a commit suitable for release.
>> >   2. Improve documentation.
>> > This is currently scattered between the old WaveProtocol site, the
>> > mailing list, and elsewhere. It needs to be pruned (of no-longer
>> > relevant documentation), structured and put on the wiki.
>> >   3. Increase community size.
>> > We are lacking any contributors who are able to make/support large
>> > code changes at the moment. A release should help increase wider
>> > knowledge of the project, to hopefully bring in more development
>> > support.
>> >
>> > Any issues that the Incubator PMC (IPMC) or ASF Board wish/need to be
>> aware of?
>> > None at this time. (Though see Shepard's notes).
>> >
>> > How has the community developed since the last report?
>> > The mailing list traffic continues to consist of new people asking
>> > questions about setting-up/running a WIAB server. (Which could be
>> > resolved by #2). Other than that, mostly stagnation.
>> >
>> > How has the project developed since the last report?
>> > Some progress towards a release (licensing) has been made.
>> > Internationalization support has been added.
>> >
>> > Ali
>> >
>> > On 15 March 2013 16:13, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Please note: Matt (who is doing the report this period) has asked Wave
>> >> to submit it before Friday evening - which is pretty close to now.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 3:45 PM, Michael MacFadden
>> >> <michael.macfadden@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> I will write the report this weekend.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 3/15/13 7:38 AM, "Yuri Z" <vega113@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Anyway, is there anyone who wants to write the report?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Vicente J. Ruiz Jurado
>> >>>><vjrj@ourproject.org
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> El 15/03/13 12:42, Upayavira escribió:
>> >>>>> > The most important thing that needs to happen is a release.
I think
>> >>>>>this
>> >>>>> > really needs to happen before the next board report (i.e.
three
>> months
>> >>>>> > time). However, it would be much better for it to happen
sooner,
>> as it
>> >>>>> > would be useful to see if a release actually draws in more
>> interest.
>> >>>>>And
>> >>>>> > that's something the project needs.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It's nice to know these priorities. I'm new in the Apache community
>> and
>> >>>>> as committer and this process is not very clear to me.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > To follow this path, we need to see some change, and some
growth.
>> >>>>>Ideas
>> >>>>> > beyond making a release (which needs to happen anyway)
are welcome.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> As I said before, I can help creating a debian package that
I think
>> can
>> >>>>> spread also the Wave use. I did the kune package [1], and it
can be
>> very
>> >>>>> similar (even more simple). Yuri was interested on this issue
also.
>> My
>> >>>>> problem with the debian package is that I can (and I know how
to)
>> create
>> >>>>> an onejar package (with all the dependencies, that is, the
>> >>>>> waveinabox-server.jar) but I don't know if this follow the Apache
>> >>>>> guidelines.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Other problem we have is documentation. IMHO, we'll be great
to have
>> >>>>> some waves in some server (eating your own dog food) with robots
and
>> >>>>> gadgets howtos, and similar stuff.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Also, we'll help with Wave translation. We have translated kune
in 16
>> >>>>> languages thanks to a web translator, and I'll add the Wave
strings
>> so
>> >>>>> our translators group can translate Wave also easily (without
be a
>> >>>>> developer).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> BR,
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Vicente J. Ruiz Jurado
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> http://comunes.org
>> >>>>> http://ourproject.org
>> >>>>> http://homes.ourproject.org/~vjrj/blog (@vjrj)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>  "Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never
been
>> hurt.
>> >>>>>  Dance like nobody's watching." [Satchel Paige]
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [1] https://gitorious.org/kune/trunk/trees/master/debian
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> http://www.grobmeier.de
>> >> https://www.timeandbill.de
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>> https://www.timeandbill.de
>>



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