Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-stdcxx-dev-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-stdcxx-dev-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 562FAF9D0 for ; Thu, 30 May 2013 17:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 43047 invoked by uid 500); 30 May 2013 17:57:24 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-stdcxx-dev-archive@stdcxx.apache.org Received: (qmail 43017 invoked by uid 500); 30 May 2013 17:57:23 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@stdcxx.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@stdcxx.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@stdcxx.apache.org Received: (qmail 43004 invoked by uid 99); 30 May 2013 17:57:23 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 17:57:23 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: error (athena.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [173.201.192.104] (HELO p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net) (173.201.192.104) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 30 May 2013 17:57:17 +0000 Received: from hub ([76.252.112.72]) by p3plsmtpa06-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id iHwa1l00P1Zmh9Y01HwbW9; Thu, 30 May 2013 10:56:36 -0700 Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 12:56:33 -0500 From: "William A. Rowe Jr." To: dev@stdcxx.apache.org Cc: msebor@gmail.com, Stefan Teleman Subject: Re: Search for new chair Message-ID: <20130530125633.254d53e3@hub> In-Reply-To: <51A67961.3050405@gmail.com> References: <378AB13E-3EB4-4108-85E0-490F81322D25@jaguNET.com> <51A5E7A5.2040908@pathscale.com> <51A67961.3050405@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.9.0 (GTK+ 2.24.13; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Wed, 29 May 2013 15:55:45 -0600 Martin Sebor wrote: > > FYI: A chair doesn't necessarily need to have a plan to do anything > other than fulfill the duties assigned to them by the ASF: > > http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair > > It's mostly a bureaucratic role, and can be a big time sink (reading > all the mailing lists, like board and members can be especially time > consuming). Other than that, being a chair doesn't give one the power > or ability to assure the success of a project than the rest of us. All good points. Although I'd caution against using members@ as any yardstick for chairing a project, the comdev (community development) and the general@incubator lists can be much better lists to follow to observe the pain points in other projects and solutions to help improve the way than an ASF project could function as a community. But those don't have to be all on the chair, anyone from the project can follow those lists, and you might find like-minded C++ developers on a list like general@incubator, or good ideas for recruiting docs authors and building a larger community from comdev. As a 'community' project it is going to take the efforts of more than simply one chair to really reenergize stdcxx to accomplish some of the many things that are being kicked around on the list this week. Glad to see the project has a good candidate for chair, and to see good discussion on moving it forwards :)