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From "Gavin" <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
Subject RE: Website Layout
Date Sun, 10 Aug 2008 13:45:26 GMT
To add,

I just done another round of updating, and I reckon all but the
main index page and the new page is still to do which I should
finish tomorrow.

The Documentation Section, the Downloads Section, the Developers Section
mission statement page, bugs page should all be upto date and links
etc all enabled so are complete. Someone might want to check in case I made
mistakes.

Once the other two pages are done it should be good to go live, so please
let me know if I missed anything.

(the external docs of Class Reference and User Guide we can look to convert
and amalgamate into the site afterwards imho and think this is what
conclusion we came to earlier)

Gav...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gavin [mailto:gavin@16degrees.com.au]
> Sent: Sunday, 10 August 2008 8:20 PM
> To: dev@stdcxx.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Website Layout
> 
> 
> It's been a while since March, moving to the other side of the continent
> and
> other stuff etc..
> 
> Anyway, I did some more to the Forrest site, for me to work a bit more
> freely I have put up a version at :-
> 
> http://people.apache.org/~gmcdonald/stdcxx/index.html
> 
> I realise I may be a bit behind as some content will have changed, but if
> your happy with the layout etc, we can move on - that is of course you
> haven't decided on another route yet.
> 
> I'll continue on and get caught up on doc site content changes, then start
> activating links etc. (bugs page more or less done)
> 
> Gav...
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gav.... [mailto:brightoncomputers@brightontown.com.au]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2008 11:25 PM
> > To: dev@stdcxx.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Website Layout
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Martin Sebor [mailto:sebor@roguewave.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 7:04 AM
> > > To: dev@stdcxx.apache.org
> > > Subject: Re: Website Layout
> > >
> > > Gav.... wrote:
> > > > Hi Eric/All,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Eric Lemings [mailto:Eric.Lemings@roguewave.com]
> > > >> Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2008 2:17 AM
> > > >> To: dev@stdcxx.apache.org
> > > >> Subject: RE: [jira] Assigned: (STDCXX-686) redesign web site
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I like it.  It follows the style of the current site so it's not
> > > >> too disruptive.
> > > >>
> > > >> Couple minor suggestions:
> > > >>
> > > >> 1. Move the Documentation nav up to a tab next to the Download tab.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, that can be done, no problem, I'll do that in my next patch if
> > > > no objections.
> > >
> > > Personally, I would probably try to tackle the migration of the
> > > site as it is to Forrest first so we can publish it as our default,
> > > and then work on improving the layout next. I don't know if this
> > > approach makes sense or it's less effort to restructure it at the
> > > same time.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >> 2. Move all links at the top of the home page to the nav bar,
> > > >> and subdivide them into groups (e.g. General [Objectives, About],
> > > >> Project [Lists, Wiki, Status, News, Team], Technical (Bugs, Readme,
> > > >> License, Platforms, References]
> > > >
> > > > Those links are auto generated from <sections> in the source and
are
> > > > internal links to the relative section on that page. Dividing them
> > > > would mean creating new pages and moving content out of the home
> page
> > > > onto the new ones. This is no problem either, but its not my site,
> so
> > > > do you guys want to discuss the layout how you want it and I'll make
> > > > the changes ?
> > >
> > > Sure. We don't have any design document or a rationale for the
> > > current site but it makes sense to discuss it before Gav puts
> > > in a whole lot of time into it. Btw., how difficult is it to
> > > restructure the site in Forrest if we change our mind? :)
> >
> > It's fairly easy, so no problem.
> >
> > >
> > > Here are some of my random thoughts on the subject...
> > >
> > > As far as tabs and menus go, I'd be inclined to follow the layout
> > > used by other projects. From what I see on the Forrest site, for
> > > instance, every tab is a menu with each menu item pointing to
> > > a separate page (although the Versioned Docs and Plugins tabs
> > > look like they're messed up). So if we expect each of Downloads
> > > and Documentation to break down into a number of menu items with
> > > a page for each, making them tabs sounds dandy.
> > >
> > > The one page I think is already way too long and that we should
> > > probably break up into a number of smaller ones is index.html
> > > (is there any kind of rule of thumb on how long the ideal page
> > > should be?) We should probably split it up into an About page
> > > (what is stdcxx), another one just for News, an another for
> > > our "mission statement" (current Objectives). I can see us also
> > > wanting to have a separate page or even a tab for Developers (as
> > > on the Forrest page), and split that one into a page (or more)
> > > for each of Committers, Contributors, and Users. And maybe also
> > > PMC. Then there is Communication and Mailing Lists which could
> > > be on the same page. I don't know how useful the References
> > > section is. Seems like keeping this on the Wiki might work
> > > better.
> >
> > I attached a diff to the issue making a start along the lines above.
> > Once that's committed, I'll carry on and do some more.
> >
> > >
> > > Btw., I should mention that during the restructuring of the site
> > > I think it's important to preserve all existing links and ideally
> > > also major anchors so we don't break links pointing to our site.
> >
> > If I do break any, I'll be sure to recheck and change them back where
> > possible.
> >
> > Incidently, I'll try and tackle the converting of the Class Reference
> > and User Guides last - there is a technique described at [1] , but lets
> > get everything else sorted first and happy, then I'll look at them.
> >
> > [1] -
> > http://forrest.apache.org/docs_0_90/howto/howto-custom-html-
> > source.html#cust
> > om
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Martin
> > >
> > > >
> > > >> 3. Where's the logo? :)
> > > >
> > > > I'll fix that.
> >
> > fixed.
> >
> > Gav...
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Gav...
> > > >
> > > >> Brad.
> > > >>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> From: Gav.... [mailto:brightoncomputers@brightontown.com.au]
> > > >>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:25 AM
> > > >>> To: dev@stdcxx.apache.org
> > > >>> Subject: RE: [jira] Assigned: (STDCXX-686) redesign web site
> > > >>>
> > > >>> G'Day,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: Martin Sebor [mailto:msebor@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> > > >>> Martin Sebor
> > > >>>> Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 3:00 PM
> > > >>>> To: dev@stdcxx.apache.org
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [jira] Assigned: (STDCXX-686) redesign web site
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Gav... wrote:
> > > >>>>> Hi Martin,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Let me know what info you need from me next.
> > > >>>>> Once the source files I sent are in svn, then I'll be
> > > >>> able to patch
> > > >>>>> properly against that.
> > > >>>> It looks quite good, thanks! I published it in my home directory
> > > >>>> to get some feedback from others:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>    http://people.apache.org/~sebor/stdcxx/forrest-site/
> > > >>> As initial information for others, the look of this site is the
> > > >>> standard issue 'forrest pelt theme' and if so wish, can be changed
> > > >>> to have more unique feel to it. This can wait I think until the
> > > >>> site is live and populated with docs.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Btw., it looks like a couple of typos snuck into index.xml
and
> > > >>>> bugs.xml. I corrected them to get forrest to generate the
static
> > > >>>> site (otherwise it fails)...
> > > >>> Damn, sorry, I tested using 'forrest run' which ensures the
> > > >>> site is mostly
> > > >>> fine and working  - but does not scrutinise the xdocs for
> > > >>> validity against
> > > >>> the DTD. Only when a 'forrest site' or 'forrest
> > > >>> validate-xdocs' is run do
> > > >>> the files get checked against the DTD.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> ... but I still get the error below at the
> > > >>>> end. It looks like a link is bad or something.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> * [6/30]    [0/0]     0.016s 1.5Kb   themes/getBlank.js
> > > >>>> X [0]                                     favicon.ico   BROKEN:
> No
> > > >>>> pipeline matched request: favicon.ico
> > > >>>>          at <map:mount> -
> > > >>>> file:/build/sebor/apache-forrest-0.8/main/webapp/./site
> > > >>>> ...
> > > >>>> Total time: 0 minutes 15 seconds,  Site size: 182,695 Site
pages:
> > 42
> > > >>>> Java Result: 1
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>    Copying broken links file to site root.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Copying 1 file to /build/sebor/tmp/site2/build/site
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> BUILD FAILED
> > > >>>> /build/sebor/apache-forrest-0.8/main/targets/site.xml:180:
Error
> > > >>>> building site.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> There appears to be a problem with your site build.
> > > >>> Easy one and my bad again. Automatically a favicon.ico is
> > > >>> associated with
> > > >>> the site and is in fact copied there when doing a 'forrest
> > > >>> seed-sample'.
> > > >>> As you found out though this produces many un-needed sample
> > > >>> files. So I
> > > >>> created the initial layout with a 'forrest seed-basic' which gives
> > you
> > > >>> a site structure but no files and in this case no favicon either.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So the cure is to stick a favicon.ico directly into the xdocs
> > folder.
> > > >>> The site will then build successfully.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> The two typos are: a missing underscore in the section id
> > > >>>> mailing_list in index.xml and a stray # in bugs.xml. Forrest
> > > >>>> gives rather cryptic errors for them.
> > > >>> The error messages were mainly to do with why they did not
> > > >>> conform with the
> > > >>> DTD - i.e the # symbol is not allowed directly beneath <ol>
> > > >>> and points out
> > > >>> that only <li> can go inside.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Most of the time, we will use Forrests v2.0 DTD -
> > > >>>
> > > >>> http://forrest.apache.org/dtdx/document-v20.dtdx.html
> > > >>>
> > > >>> (it is working towards being more xhtml2 compliant)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> So sounds like the next step is to commit the prototype into
svn
> > > >>>> and set up a cron job to get it periodically published into
some
> > > >>>> sandbox (such as my home directory) so we can work on the
tables
> > > >>>> etc. Is that how you'd like to proceed?
> > > >>> Yep, fine by me, at least I'll be able to be useful with patches
> > then.
> > > >>> Once your happy with stability, completeness and the
> > > >>> forrestbot publishing
> > > >>> is working well, then it can be moved when your happy.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> I'm also curious if you have a suggestion for our documentation.
> > > >>>> Would it make sense to try to convert it as well or might
some
> > > >>>> other solution be more appropriate?
> > > >>> I have referred this to the Forrest dev list. It should not
> > > >>> be a problem
> > > >>> in principle, convert the .html files into xdoc xml and then
> > > >>> back into .html
> > > >>> integrated into the rest of the generated site. Hopefully the
> > initial
> > > >>> conversion to xdoc can be automated. Once in xdoc xml format
> > > >>> then they can
> > > >>> be placed appropriately, added to the site.xml and tabs.xml
> > > >>> files and from
> > > >>> then on be part of the site proper.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>> I notice Jira replies are set to issues@, is there a Jira
> > > >>> ticket filed
> > > >>>> to
> > > >>>>> change this to dev@.
> > > >>>> Not yet. I was hoping to get to it this week but lately time
has
> > > >>>> a habit of getting away from me... You don't happen to know
where
> > > >>>> to change this, do you?
> > > >>> I don't have the access to do it, I've asked on #infra and
> > > >>> will let you know
> > > >>> if someone does it. Otherwise you need to send a mail to
> > > >>> apmail@ and file a
> > > >>> Jira Issue on infra for it to be done .
> > > >>>
> > > >>> (http://apache.org/dev/reporting-issues.html#mail-config)
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gav...
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Martin
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Gav...
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> <quote who="Martin Sebor (JIRA)">
> > > >>>>>>      [
> > > >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/STDCXX-
> > > >>> 686?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-
> > tabpanel
> > > >>>>>> ]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Martin Sebor reassigned STDCXX-686:
> > > >>>>>> -----------------------------------
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>     Assignee: Martin Sebor
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> redesign web site
> > > >>>>>>> -----------------
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>                 Key: STDCXX-686
> > > >>>>>>>                 URL:
> > > >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/STDCXX-686
> > > >>>>>>>             Project: C++ Standard Library
> > > >>>>>>>          Issue Type: Improvement
> > > >>>>>>>          Components: Web
> > > >>>>>>>            Reporter: Martin Sebor
> > > >>>>>>>            Assignee: Martin Sebor
> > > >>>>>>>         Attachments: Copy of stdcxx.zip
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>   Original Estimate: 16h
> > > >>>>>>>  Remaining Estimate: 16h
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> The current web site is a bunch of static HTML
pages
> > > >>> with a lot of
> > > >>>>>>> difficult-to-maintain formatting cruft copied
from
> > > >>> pages of another
> > > >>>>>>> incubator project. We should look into generating
the site
> from
> > > >>>>>>> easier-to-maintain "sources" using a tool like
Apache
> > > >>> Forrest or some
> > > >>>>>>> such.
> > > >>>>>> --
> > > >>>>>> This message is automatically generated by JIRA.
> > > >>>>>> -
> > > >>>>>> You can reply to this email to add a comment to the
issue
> online.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
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> > > >>
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