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From Patrick Hunt <ph...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Graduation?
Date Sun, 09 Jun 2013 06:38:55 GMT
On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 12:12 AM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Flavio Junqueira <fpjunqueira@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I have some comments inline:
>> >
>> > On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:04 AM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> Hi Patrick thanks for replying. Some comments and questions inline.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Thank you ant for checking in. :-)
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org>
wrote:
>> >>>> I've been hesitant to push for graduation for the following reasons:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 1) only one new committer has been added to the project since it's
>> inception.
>> >>>
>> >>> Have there been contributors that you feel might have merited being
>> >>> made a committer but weren't? What we're looking for is that the
>> >>> podling is open to new people, from the Incubator policy page - "new
>> >>> committers are admitted according to ASF practices" -
>> >>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator
>> .
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I'd turn that around and ask the community to ask themselves this
>> >> question. Who do they want as a new committer? (keep in mind that
>> >> discussion of personnel matters should typically be conducted on the
>> >> private list).
>> >
>> > I haven't observed the degree of commitment I have observed when we
>> invite new committers in other projects. At the same time, I have been
>> seeing more messages flowing on the list, which is very positive. Perhaps
>> in the near future we will have the opportunity to invite new committers.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>>> 2) there have only been two releases. The second of which required
5
>> >>>> release candidates.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Many podlings only do one release before graduating and that often
>> >>> requires a few RCs. Looking back in the archives at the S4 RC votes
i
>> >>> think they will have learnt a lot about how to do releases from all
>> >>> the respins. Also, some of these haven't been helped but the vagaries
>> >>> of the Incubator release voting which will be avoided after
>> >>> graduation.
>> >>
>> >> Absolutely. As I mentioned I think the community is doing fine. I
>> >> wouldn't stand in the way of graduation if others were interested, I
>> >> just don't personally think they are ready for the reasons I stated -
>> >> hence why I haven't pushed for graduation.
>> >
>> > The release process doesn't concern me as much. It took this community a
>> while to produce releases, but other than that I think they are quality
>> releases.
>> >
>>
>> I agree, the releases have been good. However IMO having multiple
>> release candidates indicates that there were issues that everyone
>> (PPMC) thought were fine, but still had to be addressed (based on
>> further feedback from IPMC). I'm part of the PPMC and I missed some of
>> those details, so it's not really a blame issue, but I'm just saying
>> the process/content itself is still in flux. That will smooth out as
>> folks get more experience and there's more visibility on the
>> process/artifact. Good to have incubator insight during that process.
>>
>>
> However preventing graduation till more incubating releases are done is
> requiring a higher bar to graduation than what is required for other
> podlings. Release voting in the Incubator is difficult and inconsistent,
> lots of podling releases are made to do multiple respins but thats more a
> problem with the incubator process not the podling.

I don't see is this as a quantity issue and as I said (see my comments
earlier in the thread) I wouldn't prevent graduation if other folks
were to push for it.

Patrick

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