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Subject: RE: Catch 22 for Users of Remailers who Need to Unsubscribe [was: Re:
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Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 12:34:36 -0700
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@Tom,

That's an interesting theory.  I agree that remailers can present =
problems.  It doesn't seem to be a sure thing.

I have always used a remailer.  orcmid@ apache.org is one.  =
dennis.hamilton@ acm.org is another.  (And orcmid@ computer.org, but I =
haven't been using that.)  I have never had any problem subscribing or =
unsubscribing.  Note that when I subscribe with one of these, all I do =
is use an account that uses that e-mail address as the "From:". =20

I have had accounts that did not allow me to send as my forwarder =
account e-mail.  At the moment, it seems to be working.  It may be that =
the barrier on your end is verizon.net, not the list.

 - Dennis

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Panfil [mailto:tap.home@verizon.net]=20
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:09
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Cc: tapanfil@ieee.org
Subject: Catch 22 for Users of Remailers who Need to Unsubscribe [was: =
Re: PLEASE REMOVE ME]

Hello Moderators & List Members:

I think that there is a need for some additional way for people to=20
unsubscribe from the lists mechanized via instances of the system used=20
by this list.

People like me, who are members of professional societies like IEEE and=20
ACM which provide e-mail virus scanning and forwarding to the actual ISP =

provided e-mail accounts of their members, tend to use those re-mailer=20
accounts for everything to get the two benefits:

  * Protection from viruses (to some degree).
  * Easy redirection of all of their incoming mail to a new ISP provided
    e-mail account if they should need to make a change.

The Catch-22 part of this is that they cannot send from those re-mailer=20
addresses, like my Reply-To address on this message.

So, should they need or want to unsubscribe from a list via the=20
mechanisms currently offered, they cannot unsubscribe.

I do *not* want to unsubscribe.  I'm learning from both the technical=20
questions being answered, and from seeing this terrible problem linger =
on.

The Open Source Community which uses the mail list exploder that this=20
project uses should prioritize enhancement of the mail list exploder SW=20
to enable unsubscribing by those who are subscribed via re-mailer=20
addresses.  This may help others too.

--=20
*v/r,
                Tom Panfil
            eBureaucrat (Ret.)
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Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR
drivers to identify their corporate sponsors*


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