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From Kevin Grignon <kevingrignon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [UX][DISCUSS] Default Document Border
Date Mon, 01 Oct 2012 15:07:00 GMT
KG03 - See comments inline.

On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Keith N. McKenna <
keith.mckenna@comcast.net> wrote:

> Kevin;
>
>
> Kevin Grignon wrote:
>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I've read the LibreOffice threads and have a better understanding of the
>> issues and concerns. Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> I still maintain my original UX feedback that the page frame adds noise.
>> In
>> addition, the current stroke color is rather dark, and can make it
>> difficult to see the text location indicator, perhaps we could work on the
>> contrast.
>>
>
> One o the problems I see is that what you consider "noise" others do not.
> In the past I used charts from a OOo spreasheet embedded into a writer
> document. I found the page boundary helpful in positioning those charts
> correctly.


KG03 - Yes, UI is subjective. I'm glad the boarder was helpful to you those
times when you positioned charts in the past. Perhaps smart guides would
have helped realize you goal as well? As I stated, I'm exploring ways to
reduce the amount of non-content UI or pixels within the editor. A
content-oriented, modern, light-weight UI is what the community is asking
for. Everything should be considered. It's important to check our
assumptions, and ask why is something there. Please be open to focusing on
the broader design problem. I'm trying to explore different paths to
realize a stated design goal. If you have any other  suggestions or ideas
on how to realize these goals within the page canvas, I'd love to hear from
you. If you have other goals, then great, share those as well.

>
>
>  As for a solution, I feel that we could we could remove the default full
>> frame page boundary, and provide the corner marks as seen in Symphony UI.
>> We could also provide display preferences for users to select no frame,
>> corners only (a la Symphony), or full frame. Heck the user could even
>> select the frame colour or page background if so desired.
>>
>
> Adding the preferences is fine, but I do not believe that the default full
> frame should be changed. That kind of change could well be seen by the user
> community as "change or the sake of change" that serves no real purpose.


>
>  To support smart object layout when the page frame is not in full frame
>> mode, we could display the frame on demand, when an object being
>> positioned
>> comes in contact with the frame. More broadly, we need smart guides for
>> all
>> possible intersections.
>>
>> See: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=121102<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121102>
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kevin
>>
>>  Regards
> Keith
>
>
>>
>> I'll move the discussion to the mailing list.
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 6:28 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> <arielch@apache.org>wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Gary,
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 06:48:00PM -0800, NoOp wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just as a heads up regarding:
>>>> <http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/**DocumentBorder<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DocumentBorder>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I recommend following the user issues regarding this 'modernization' in
>>>> the LibreOffice threads:
>>>>
>>>> Initial user thread:
>>>> <
>>>>
>>> http://comments.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.documentfoundation.**
>>> libreoffice.user/16851<http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user/16851>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> [LO 3.5 - Can't see page margins in Writer]
>>>>
>>>> Thread on the LO ux-advise list:
>>>> <
>>>>
>>> http://comments.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.documentfoundation.**
>>> libreoffice.ux-advise/495<http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.ux-advise/495>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> [The "no border text" feature in Writer 3.5 is not complete]
>>>>
>>>> Thread on the LO dev list:
>>>> <
>>>>
>>> http://comments.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.documentfoundation.**
>>> libreoffice.devel/24267<http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.devel/24267>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> [No page and Columns boundaries in 3.5]
>>>>
>>>> And it seems that the new additions are starting to irritate users:
>>>> <
>>>>
>>> http://permalink.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.documentfoundation.**
>>> libreoffice.user/17009<http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.user/17009>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> [LibreOffice v3.5.0 -- Header/Footer -- How do I disable this]
>>>>
>>>> As an FYI: I use and test both OOo and LO so I've no particular bias in
>>>> pointing this out on this list. Instead I'm hoping that those that are
>>>> "improving" OOo-dev 3.4.0 consider the *user* reactions to the suggested
>>>> changes of <http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/**DocumentBorder<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/DocumentBorder>
>>>> >
>>>> just in case you plan to actually use the 2009 suggestions.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You might be interested in tracking this bug report:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=121102<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121102>
>>> I took the freedom to quote this mail :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> --
>>> Ariel Constenla-Haile
>>> La Plata, Argentina
>>>
>>>
>>
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