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From Jonas Ruf <jonas...@sunrise.ch>
Subject Re: [UX][DISCUSS] Default Document Border
Date Tue, 02 Oct 2012 00:39:06 GMT
may be you got something in, you don't want to... just a warning


2012/10/2 NoOp <glgxg@sbcglobal.net>:
> On 10/01/2012 08:07 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>> KG03 - See comments inline.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 12:14 AM, Keith N. McKenna <
>> keith.mckenna@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Kevin;
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin Grignon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> I've read the LibreOffice threads and have a better understanding of the
>>>> issues and concerns. Thanks for sharing.
>>>>
>>>> I still maintain my original UX feedback that the page frame adds noise.
>>>> In
>>>> addition, the current stroke color is rather dark, and can make it
>>>> difficult to see the text location indicator, perhaps we could work on the
>>>> contrast.
>>>>
>>>
>>> One o the problems I see is that what you consider "noise" others do not.
>>> In the past I used charts from a OOo spreasheet embedded into a writer
>>> document. I found the page boundary helpful in positioning those charts
>>> correctly.
>>
>>
>> KG03 - Yes, UI is subjective. I'm glad the boarder was helpful to you those
>> times when you positioned charts in the past. Perhaps smart guides would
>> have helped realize you goal as well? As I stated, I'm exploring ways to
>> reduce the amount of non-content UI or pixels within the editor. A
>> content-oriented, modern, light-weight UI is what the community is asking
>> for. Everything should be considered. It's important to check our
>
> Can you please point to the survey/study regarding this? I can't seem to
> find a link to one in:
>
> <http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/DocumentBorder>
>
> I do see this:
>
> " Competitor Study
>
>     MS Office 2003/2007/2010 : Put marks on four corners of page, to
> show the boder of documents. "
>
> But no survey/study showing that elimination of the borders is "what the
> community is asking for".
>
> This is what Microsoft Word users expect; boarders by default, and an
> option to change to corners if the user wishes. It might be useful to see:
> <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46305> and the attached
> PDF showing the features in Word 2010:
> <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=57287>
>
> Note that:
> Microsoft Word 2010 selections are as follows:
> o File|Options|Advanced|Show document content|Show text boundaries'
> enables text and column borders exactly as it does in A.Oo 3.5.
> o 'File|Options|Advanced|Show document content|Show crop marks' removes
> the Text Boundaries & replaces them with corner crop marks. Note: you
> can have both 'crop marks' and 'text boundaries' enabled at the same
> time in Word 2010. This last is *extremely* helpful for those that write
> multi-column articles (magazine, news letters, etc).
>
> If A.Oo do make the proposed UI changes, suggestions to make this user
> selectable is, IMO, OK. But please be careful in doing so. It will be
> (again IMO) if A.Oo were to adopt the same attitude & "compromise" as LO
> have chosen to do.
>
>
>> assumptions, and ask why is something there. Please be open to focusing on
>> the broader design problem. I'm trying to explore different paths to
>> realize a stated design goal. If you have any other  suggestions or ideas
>
> Your stated design goal per
> <https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121102> was originally:
>
> "The page boundary does not add value to the document editing
> experience. To reduce visual noise, and help the uesr(SIC) focus on
> their content, please remove the page boundary all together, or
> implement the Symphony approach of page boundary corners only."
>
> Within this thread you've stated that "I still maintain my original UX
> feedback that the page frame adds noise."
>
> So given those, I (a user) am unsure what the exact design goal is
> (other than to eliminate existing Text Boundaries). My personal
> preference would be to keep the boundaries as default & then allow the
> user to use corners via a user option *and* text boundaries
> simultaneously for column adjustments.
>
>> on how to realize these goals within the page canvas, I'd love to hear from
>> you. If you have other goals, then great, share those as well.
> ...
>
>
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